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Auto Ordnance 1911A1 Feed problem

16K views 29 replies 13 participants last post by  kjdeut  
#1 ·
I picked up my brand new out of the box Auto Ordnance 1911A1 yesterday and took it to the range this morning. Not a happy shooter right now. I took 300 rounds of factory Magtech 230 gr ball ammo with me. I got (1) 50 round box finished, but before I did I had a 25% failure rate. The failures were spread evenly over 3 problems: Failure to eject, failure to feed and stove-piping.
I field stripped, inspected and lubricated the pistol the night prior and noticed no obvious defects. On the range I stripped it again after several failures to see if I missed anything, but nothing stood out. It's going to the shop I bought it from tomorrow to have the in house gunsmith look at it and then possibly back to the factory. Has anyone else had this issue? Did I just buy an expensive paperweight?
 
#9 ·
Try some different ammo. You have nothing to lose, so mix it up some and see what happens.
Consider handing it to an experienced 1911 shooter. Worst case? Nothing changes. In any case, a firm grip matters.
As previously noted, try some different mags. If you shoot at a place with rental guns, see if they will let you borrow some different ones from the rental 1911s. It never hurts to ask anyway.
 
#11 ·
Bought an AO back in 1987. Was shooting a few military matches that required "rack issue" quality guns. Still have it.

Most autos DO need SOME degree of break-in, but should be doing better than that. They can be finicky on mags. Would try swapping, as the folks said.

Disgusting thing about mine is that it LOVES the really CHEEP aluminum cased non reloadable Blazer ammo. Likes it better than my handloads or military match. Have actually won a couple of matches shooting that stuff. Depressing, I tell ya!
 
#12 ·
Actually 1911s often tend to get more reliable as you use them. The early original ones anyway. There are so many variables to look at when making a clone though. Auto Ordnance started making them fairly early in the clone wars years. You could try checking to make sure everything is within published US Govt 1911a1 dimensional specs. A hole drilled a few hundreths off center can really effect performance. Some manufacturers pay attention to that stuff for awhile, then forget, then remember again when the complaints start. Definitely pick up some quality mags and try again. This time start off with generic 230 gr. hardball (which is after all what it was designed for). Hopefully your second range day will be better than the first.
 
#13 ·
Thanks all. First step will be to try a new/different magazine. If that doesn't work, I'll go to different ammo. I'm no stranger to auto pistols, but this is my first Auto Ordnance.
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#15 ·
Same problem only worse

I just purchased an AO 1911 on sept 14 of this year. That weekend I went out and had feeding issues, ejecting issues and it was about 50% of the time. I am using federal blazer ammo 230 gr. The gun shop I bought it from said it was the magazine and gave me a none oem magazine. It worked better but the slide still would not close properly when chambering a round.

The gun shop would not return and said go through auto ordanance for the return. After calling them and getting a prepaid shipping label, I sent it out 2 weeks ago with a letter highlighting my dissatisfaction of a brand new firearm performing this way. I did not want it to be fixed but I want it returned. I called them today to check up on the return. This time they transfered me to a manager named Timothy Pierce and he explained there are no returns, only exchanges or repairs.

I'm hoping the gun shop I bought it from will take it back, as I don't want it anymore. All the time and gas spent trying to deal with this has put a bad taste in my mouth.

Hope you have better luck :mad:
 
#16 ·
Sorry to hear of your problems.

The AO (when functioning correctly) is not a bad firearm.

But the thing to do is get new mags and replace the springs. As an inexpensive firearm, the manufacturer will not put "Top End" springs in it.
 
#17 ·
I just posted the same problems with one I got in August. Wish I would have seen your post first. I have tried different mags and it still is doing the same thing. I am also not shooting it limp wristed.
Luckily I won this gun in a raffle so dont have a lot invested in it. Problem is I like shooting it and I shoot better with the 1911 then my other guns. I am not sure if it is worth investing having a gunsmith take a look at it or just junk it.
Please post how the different mag works. As mentioned I tried a different brand and even ordered another AO mag for it. From what I read the Auto Ordnance 1911 are very picky on the magazine and warn that different mags wont work. Have you also had problems with the slide release lever? When mine jammed once I took it to a gunsmith and they said the slide release lever was coming out, like when you break it down, and that caused the jam.

Ken
 
#18 ·
Timothy Pierce from Auto Ordnance called me back about 2 weeks ago and explained that they had put the wrong extractor and would replace it. He said he tested it personally and it was shooting fine. I received my 1911 back from the factory 3 days before Thanksgiving. I took it out to the range on Turkey day and fed 200 rounds through it. It jammed once.
For magazines I don't recommend using only the factory mag. It does not load easy and the spring seems very stiff. I use the Wilson Combat and have great success with them. It also holds one more round than the factory mag but the plastic does not seat flush with the bottom of the grip.
I am not sure if it is worth investing having a gunsmith take a look at it or just junk it.
I would definitely call Tim at Auto ordnance and see what he can do for you.
Let me know how it goes. I hope this was helpful.

Best of luck
 
#19 ·
Chip MCormick Shooting Star mags

Midway has them on sale now. I got 4 of the match mags with baseplates. Not a single problem and they have a full return warranty. Ordering 4 more!
 
#21 ·
Called Kahr and they didn't have a tim pierce there I could takj too. I told them what was happening with the 1911 and what i had read about a bad ejector, They sent me a no cost shipping label. I hope they do half a swell as Ruger did with my sr22. Anyways i will let you know how things go when I get it back.

Ken
 
#25 ·
Also won't hurt to polish the crap out of the feed ramp.
Actually, it might hurt. Feed ramps do not need a mirror polish to feed FMJ practice ammo.
Much like the Hippocratic Oath in medicine, gun work should also be done with "First, do no harm" as the operative goal. If the feed ramp is so bad that it won't feed FMJ, it should go back to the maker for warranty work.
 
#26 ·
Polishing the feed ramp is NOT the cureall that a lot of people believe.
The feed ramp helps to get the tip of the bullet lined up. If it has tool marks that the nose is filling up, then polish a little to stop it.
What does affect feeding is the magazine and the lips of the magazine (and to some extent, the breech end of the barrel).

As a round comes out of the mag (talking .45ACP now), the nose of the bullet does contact the feed ramp. As the bullet is pushed forward by the slide, the nose of the bullet "jumps" to the top of the chamber of the barrel.

This is a good example of how a 1911 works. You can hide different portions of the animation to see exactly what happens.
http://www.m1911.org/loader.swf