Time you'll get serious about kicking out your Governor and some Legislators. Not in the next election but petitions for new election and whatever legal means is available.
It means somehow stopping the Democrats from vote fraud too.
Other than that move west across the state line.

 

Time you'll get serious about kicking out your Governor and some Legislators. Not in the next election but petitions for new election and whatever legal means is available.
It means somehow stopping the Democrats from vote fraud too.
Other than that move west across the state line.

When did NJ require a Firearms ID and when was Christie Elected Governor?

According to the OP, it's been over ten years, in case you have not been paying attention Christie did not become Governor until 2010.

How is Christie responsible for passed legislation?

 

Time you'll get serious about kicking out your Governor and some Legislators. Not in the next election but petitions for new election and whatever legal means is available.
It means somehow stopping the Democrats from vote fraud too.
Other than that move west across the state line.

Tinbucket:

You're not going to get an argument from me, New Jersey's gun laws need to be revised and I've been part of several letter writing campaigns to try and get that to happen. The governor (whom I detest by the way) has pardoned some people and recently made some pro-gun rights statements, but I really doubt his sincerity since he never did or said much on that subject prior to running for President.

My main goal here is to find the truth, if the police department is lying to me either on purpose or from ignorance I'd really like to know that.

- Norm

 

Sir: See here: http://www.njsp.org/info/pdf/firearms/071614_firearms_appinstruct.pdf

Skip the locals. Sounds like you are dealing with ignorance. Go directly to the State Police help number, and get the straight skinny from them.

 

Sir: See here: http://www.njsp.org/info/pdf/firearms/071614_firearms_appinstruct.pdf

Skip the locals. Sounds like you are dealing with ignorance. Go directly to the State Police help number, and get the straight skinny from them.

Thanks c3shooter, I'll give them a call tomorrow and see what they say.

Also I'm going through the paperwork they gave me at the police station today and it seems like they also want a Consent For Mental Health Records Search. I know for a fact that five years ago I didn't need to do that either.

- Norm

 

I don't know what the deal is but I talked to the state police and first they said that just the form 212A was required for an address change, but when I inquired about whether the personal references and mental health records search were required they just said "Whatever the town requests", so can the town request additional stuff that's not required by the state?

- Norm

 

I don't know what the deal is but I talked to the state police and first they said that just the form 212A was required for an address change, but when I inquired about whether the personal references and mental health records search were required they just said "Whatever the town requests", so can the town request additional stuff that's not required by the state?

- Norm

norm. NJ may not have Preemption of firearms laws. if that is the case, any local authority can make it's own "Stronger" Gun laws above and beyond the laws of the state. maybe it's time to look into a new Zip Code in a state where more than 12% of the population owns firearms, and hollow point bullets aren't banned. NJ is a lost cause.

i moved to PA last year, and i haven't been this happy in over 25 years, when i moved to NY with my parents after dad retired from the Corps. The Unsafe Act was just the last nail in the coffin for me, and it is likely that NJ's new laws and procedures are a result of the same events that led to that law being forced on NYers. PA kept their gun laws and told BHO that he could pass whatever he wanted to in the rest of the country, but any firearms made in, and kept in PA would be our business, not the feds.

Seriously. get out ASAFP. The grass is greener elsewhere.

 

norm. NJ may not have Preemption of firearms laws. if that is the case, any local authority can make it's own "Stronger" Gun laws above and beyond the laws of the state. maybe it's time to look into a new Zip Code in a state where more than 12% of the population owns firearms, and hollow point bullets aren't banned. NJ is a lost cause.

i moved to PA last year, and i haven't been this happy in over 25 years, when i moved to NY with my parents after dad retired from the Corps. The Unsafe Act was just the last nail in the coffin for me, and it is likely that NJ's new laws and procedures are a result of the same events that led to that law being forced on NYers. PA kept their gun laws and told BHO that he could pass whatever he wanted to in the rest of the country, but any firearms made in, and kept in PA would be our business, not the feds.

Seriously. get out ASAFP. The grass is greener elsewhere.

I understand your point of view but first my parents live here and they are elderly and don't want to move; my business is here; my girlfriend is here so I'm not going anywhere.

I wouldn't have even posted anything about this but I grew up in this town; three people I graduated with went on to become police officers in town; one of the girls I graduated with was the police chiefs daughter (actually he was the one who signed my first firearms ID). I just don't have patience for the police busting my balls for a simple change of address on my firearms ID card.

- Norm

 

The thing is with Nanny State Socialists, you will continue to have to jump through hoops....and they will create more areas you have to jump through hoops in.
Nothing without "proper training" a permission slip or card, and money, lots of money and subject to being stopped and questioned under any premise, or at some point them coming to your home to examine your guns, how they are store, if any kids live there, and so on. Maybe not now but they like regulating, they like being in charge and they like persecuting just about everybody.
Ask "Cristi" at a fund raiser etc about the 2A and about this. Get a bunch of people to ask him every place every time.

 

I understand your point of view but first my parents live here and they are elderly and don't want to move; my business is here; my girlfriend is here so I'm not going anywhere.

I wouldn't have even posted anything about this but I grew up in this town; three people I graduated with went on to become police officers in town; one of the girls I graduated with was the police chiefs daughter (actually he was the one who signed my first firearms ID). I just don't have patience for the police busting my balls for a simple change of address on my firearms ID card.

- Norm

As I understand yours Norm. I was ina very similar boat 20 years ago when a job opened up for a defense contractor in Colorado. My ex did not want to go, so i passed it up. There is a saying that goes, "If you want to hear God laugh, tell Him your plans." depending on where in NJ you are, living in a free state would just mean having to drive a couple hours to visit with your parents (1.5 in my case), or them having to do the same. The girlfriend? Well, maybe it will work out, maybe not, but it's in Gods hands on that one.

I ran a successful business back in NY until about 10 years ago, when the economy tanked, and the floor dropped out of the classic car market. Got sick a year later, almost died, and had to wait on Social Security for close to 5 years. by that poiint, i was married again with a kid involved. Neither one wanted to leave the little Podunk town we lived in due to jobs, friends, and some family. I also had a sick grandfather I was helping take care of where I lived, so the push to go was held off until after his passing. He helped me out when i needed it, so I owed him a lot more than just back rent. On top of this, I was helping two of my uncles to get back on their feet within the household after he passed. Family is what matters most IMHO, so again, i can see where you are coming from on this.

My point is, I had to pull up roots, put my family's future in His hands, and walk away from what I had known for 25 years when we moved out of state. It cost me almost all of my savings to do so, I also had to replace my primary driver due to different inspection standards, Rent a place in a city after 30+ years of living in the country, and my wife had to get a new job here. She worked for the school district where we lived, so sacrifices were made, and it was not just on a whim over one lousy GC law, or even an entire act. It was over bettering ourselves, and opening up a future in my daughter's chosen carrer path. There were no colleges in NY that offered a diesel tech program, and that is what she has chosen as her path. Wyotech is in Ohio, and UTI has a campus out by Philly. This was a better choice as she qualifies for student aid and other programs here that she would not get if we were still in NY.

My point is, it's not as easy to come to that kind of decision, and there will always be sacrifices that have to be made. Roads run two ways, so you can always visit, as they can, and, however knoble it may be, fighting a loosing battle is insane. NJ has a (Legal) firearms ownership rate of 12 percent, so get use to being treated like a common pile of dog $#!t by your states goverment if you stay, simply because you want to practice a right. When it comes to a fight that can not be won, the smart man pulls back and looks at his options, from simple to extreme.

Look at the preemption section of this page. Local authorities have the right to set whatever GC laws they wish, and with such a low amount of gun owners there, you can only expect more red tape if yoyu stay.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_laws_in_the_United_States_by_state#New_Jersey

Hope it works out for you in the end. I just wanted to make myself clear that leaving Ny was not my first option. It just happened to be my best option is all.

 

The thing is with Nanny State Socialists, you will continue to have to jump through hoops....and they will create more areas you have to jump through hoops in.
Nothing without "proper training" a permission slip or card, and money, lots of money and subject to being stopped and questioned under any premise, or at some point them coming to your home to examine your guns, how they are store, if any kids live there, and so on. Maybe not now but they like regulating, they like being in charge and they like persecuting just about everybody.
Ask "Cristi" at a fund raiser etc about the 2A and about this. Get a bunch of people to ask him every place every time.

Ya mean like this?

Campaigning for the Republican presidential nomination Saturday, Gov. Chris Christie said he'll likely pardon several out-of-staters legally permitted to carry their firearms in their home states who have been recently arrested in New Jersey under the Garden State's tough gun laws

We've done it right from the beginning," said Christie, "and we'll continue do it."

Christie said he supported introducing a firearm permit reciprocity law that would honor out-of-state gun carry permits, but didn't expect the Democratic-controlled legislature to cooperate.

"I think the law is wrong," said Christie. "We need to be smarter about the way we do this. What I don't want is for folks to feel like they can't come into our state, and be able to travel through it, or visit it, and have to make sure they go on the Internet and look up exactly how you're supposed to be dealing with the gun laws."

So, I'll ask you again,

How is Christie responsible for existing NJ laws that were on the books before he became Governor?

 

Ya mean like this?

Campaigning for the Republican presidential nomination Saturday, Gov. Chris Christie said he'll likely pardon several out-of-staters legally permitted to carry their firearms in their home states who have been recently arrested in New Jersey under the Garden State's tough gun laws

We've done it right from the beginning," said Christie, "and we'll continue do it."

Christie said he supported introducing a firearm permit reciprocity law that would honor out-of-state gun carry permits, but didn't expect the Democratic-controlled legislature to cooperate.

"I think the law is wrong," said Christie. "We need to be smarter about the way we do this. What I don't want is for folks to feel like they can't come into our state, and be able to travel through it, or visit it, and have to make sure they go on the Internet and look up exactly how you're supposed to be dealing with the gun laws."

So, I'll ask you again,

How is Christie responsible for existing NJ laws that were on the books before he became Governor?

There is a lot wrong with New Jersey but I'm really very suspect of Chris Christie's motives; he never did or said anything to suggest he was a 2nd amendment supporter until after he announced he was running for President. If I remember correctly, Obama said he was a 2nd amendment supporter when he ran for President the first time and now look at him. Until Christie makes some real efforts to change New Jersey's draconian gun laws I won't believe a word that comes out of his mouth.

- Norm

 

There is a lot wrong with New Jersey but I'm really very suspect of Chris Christie's motives; he never did or said anything to suggest he was a 2nd amendment supporter until after he announced he was running for President. If I remember correctly, Obama said he was a 2nd amendment supporter when he ran for President the first time and now look at him. Until Christie makes some real efforts to change New Jersey's draconian gun laws I won't believe a word that comes out of his mouth.

- Norm

Doesn't change the facts.

Christie had nothing to do with what you are having to go though and Christie can do nothing to change that.

The Bucket-Man blamed Christie for you troubles, when in reality he had nothing to do with it and can do nothing about it.

It think maybe our education system has failed to deliver in a lot of areas, especially in Civics 101.