Looks like they decided to enter the 10mm game after S&W released their 10mm PCC. I have a SUB2000 in 9mm; not the latest generation though. It took a LOT of MCarbo enhancements to make it a decent gun. From what I've seen, the latest generation SUB2000s are much better though. I am a 10mm guy and on body I carry a 1911 VBOB commander, off body though I carry a S&W M&P 10mm in a sling bag; so the S&W PCC is a better fit for me. Shared mags etc. Waiting for the next gun show to pick one up (end of this month). If you're a Glock guy though this may be a good option. Just never been a fan of Kel-Tec and the SUB2000 that I own just reinforced that opinion.

 

I have had the gen 2 about 5 years, perfect in every way. Takes glock 19 mags and goes with the glock 19 when traveling unless camping near bears


The 3rdgen give the twisting g forearm so your laser or light does not interfear with folding. At 4 pounds you can shoot this one with one hand. Along with a 12 pump gun this one is my home defense long gun now. The ars stay in the safe.


Power levels with the 16 inch barrel. are as follows,

5.7 x 28. 400. Fpe
9mm. 400...500. Fpe
40 sw. 600. Fpe
10mm. 700...800. Fpe

They are 100% reliable and anyone can shoot them. I have had other pcc platforms. This is by far the best. I shoot my 9 suppressed
Most of the time.

On baance, 40 is prabably the best for home defense, shorter case and .ore likely to not fail when dirty and ammo is cheap. Unless you live rural and have 10mm handguns thec 10 is probably overkill. If there is such a thing the 40 is equal to 357 mag. So power is plenty.

If I did not have o e, I would buy the 5.7 x 38 to match my new SW 5.7.


Just a. Opinion. Nothing wrong with any in that gun.

 

.....If I did not have o e, I would buy the 5.7 x 38 to match my new SW 5.7.....

a typo for sure OL, I believe you meant 5.7x28..... and I'm a big fan of 5.7 so that would be a good "fit" for me too. have the FN pistol and the CMMG Resolute in that caliber (I wasn't aware of Kel Tec's version until you posted - thanks for the info

 

What is that Hook looking thing on the tail-end of the buttstock? Kinda looks like a front sight post.

 

I think that's a locking post or anchor for when you fold the gun.

 

I had a slight interest in the Sub 2000, but I have other carbines so I never got interested enough to do anything. After reading this thread I got to looking around and I saw the Sub CQB. The complete silenced carbine for half the price of just a suppressor. Now I'm looking at what I want to sell to get one.

 

I have not seen one but the adds are amazing. My Gen II made me a believer years ago, an I too own carbines. I shoot mine suppressed with can that is 8 inches long 1.5 inches thick and weighs a pound. Mine is hearing safe but not Hollywood Quiet. If anyone can do so, I trust Kel Tec to do so. Mine is 8 inches longer with the can in place. This one is sooo much better.


And it is still only 5.15 pounds. That is wonderful. I carry mine in a small backpack when we travel, if we hike it goes along with water and whatever. This one might me the ultimate survival weapon. I have several survival style guns, but these are about the most practical. So, I have a dilemma now. This one and the 5.7 are looking really good, but I have too many already.

Buy it and give us a report please.

 

I don't know anything about how accurate a suppressed PCC should be but I viewed a youtube video and that fellow said that he thought the accuracy was so off that, in his opinion, the gun was dangerous to shoot (he was shooting at 25 yards).....not interested enough to go thru all the other youtube reviews to see what anyone else says about accuracy so I personally take this review with a grain of salt.....

keltec CQB youtube reviews - Google Search

 

I watched about 2/3 of that video and turned it off, that guy is an obvious idiot or knows nothing about guns. When you have ammo hitting the dirt at 25 yards, you probably have bad ammo, and his results were so erratic is was likely he had a bad sighing device. it is just not possible to be that bad without him having an explanation. No gun guy would post a U Tube that goofy but he did.

SO, I googled looking any rheputable gun company or magazine that I know. Here is the first from Athelon Outdoors a major ammo supplier, no way they are not going to be truthfull. Look at the accuracy they found after extensive testing.

Testing The Foldable KelTec SUB CQB At The Range

This thing is stellar considering the design and short area of rifling. And moral of the story, never trust any U Tube channel from someone you have not seen doing gun reviews before.

Ant think about it. These have not available much due to demand but if there were bad problems the would have been corrected by the end of the first year.

Read that article and your beliefs will change.
I have the KelTec Sub 2000 gen 2 that I shoot suppressed and it is decent. I do not shoot it for accuracy concepts because I have a 17 HMR, 22 Mag Precision, 18 WSN and others that are precision varmint killers. But mine shoots a couple inches at 50 yards suppressed. This one less.

I also had a Marlin Camo 9 scoped. Ad 50 yards it was crazy accurate, all rounds touching. However, bullets would yaw when the slowed down to subsonic and not accurate at 75 yards, but I did not care because they were so great at 50 yards.

I have no fear of the accuracy of this one.

 

@OldLawyer You might want to go to You tube and checkout MrGunsnGear channel. I understand that you may not have like the video above but overall he is not only a pretty good shot, he has a good amount of firearm knowledge.

 

Ruger LC Carbine 10mm Review: The Best 10mm PCC?

I know who the guy is. And we are just going to have to respectively disagree on this one.


He is one of those who makes a video a day and claims to be an expert on everything. "most" of his videos are political, Chinese spy balloons, wars, etc. He comments on all the legal issues involving the Second Amendment, like many he is out of his element, because when he reports on legal actions in a case, he cannot tell you why it happened or how it might turn out down the line. That is why CNN and FOX have legal advisors to give an idea not only what happened but the likely outcome, so his role is mostly being a shock jock. No problem with that except when it comes to guns.

Just for grins, I looked for another PCC review that he did, I found the Ruger 10mmm review. Watch it. It is 14 minutes and 50 seconds. When done tell me how accurate it is and what ammo it prefers. He gets his data from Ballistics by the Inch, 10 year old data that we all can get in 2 seconds.

He and his buddy just talk and shoot the gun. Except for maybe seeing the recoil level, it is a worthless video, watch it. And an experienced gun guy, tell me what you learned. I get nothing.


With the KelTec PCC he published a U Tube when the thing was not working at all, no professional would give a final report without finding out why some rounds were hitting the dirt at 25 yards. If he were presented as an expert witness in court, I would have him thrown out in 5 minutes. The reason? An expert must use normally accepted methods of determining things such as accuracy or reliability of a device such as a gun. That means he would have to get to the bottom of the erratic firing. Erratic firing could be many things. Barrel loose in the gun, ammo, loose optics, optic with a floating reticle, or many other problems. He measured a 10 inch group at 25 yards and concludes the design was bad. You cannot get away with that in any court state or federal anywhere.

Having used hundreds of expert witnesses in court and having been one in several areas, and having testified against alleged expert witnesses in disciplinary hearings many times, I am just saying, this guy is not one you want to rely on if you are wanted a professional evaluation.

This guy has lots of followers on his many different types of videos. Hillary Clinton has 31 million followers on X, the people who watch your channel, does not impress me much.

Your comment is that he shoots well. No problem with that. And he may have a pretty good knowledge base on firearms. But an expert on PCCs, I do not think so.

Just one opinion. I would gladly debate him at any time on these issues. He knows better, or should. I still wonder why he posted accuracy results for the Keltec but did not on the Ruger PCC. Think about it. There are people who actually hunt deer with the 10mm PCC and he discussed it and even showed the Ballistics By the Inch Data, but did not even test it as to accuracy. Why not? Only a rookie would miss that.

And his other shooter wants you to know he spent 12 years on Seal Teams, so what, ten thousand retired guys served in special units, none of us used a Ruger 10mm PCC, but it gets worse.. Watch the video::

At 6:25-6:30 his partner says something like

A conus kill is a stateside kill, outside a war zone where US law applies. Why is that an issue that helps gun people decide whether to buy a Ruger PCC. As a retired military guy, I am surprised that anybody would publish a video without editing that krap out.


Just my opinion like always. I think differently and train people differently. I have zero respect for this guy and his channel. He is not the kind of guy I want the public to see as a gun owner and proponent of the Second Amendment.

There are a few honest and accurate gun guys with a U Tube channel, but when the mix it with politics and comment on everything, they leave their element. Hickot 45, Gunblast and a few of those are fair and honest, most are biased, seems to me.

 

I'll admit that I'm a neophyte suppressor user but I'm curious as to "why" anyone would go for the CBQ and in doing so would limit themselves to "that 1 silencer on that 1 firearm" when for the same (ATF and bank account) effort would allow them to buy a stand-alone suppressor that they could use on an unlimited number of firearms

OK, I understand the overall length of the CBQ compared to the Sub 2000 gen 2 with a suppressor installed - but - a 5 or so inch barrel compared to a 16 inch barrel.....

I just don't "get it".....but, as always, to each their own

 

It is a package the ex


It is a silenced gun that folds into 17 inches. I carry mine in a small backpack. But then I have to add on the 8 inch suppressor to get the same amount of quiet, actually not as good as that one.

The gun is short, the same as a short barrel rifle which requires a tax stamp $200, plus a suppressor stamp, another $200. The design is user serviceable for cleaning the suppressor a big deal. So, for $900 our the door, you have a Hollywood quiet, 17 inch gun that flips open to 36 inches in an instant. For people who do not use pistols for home defense, this is the most enticing product on the market. Little muzzle flash and little noise, nothing not to like. It is appealing to the masses.

The accuracy results I posted above from a credible source are consistent with other 9mm PCC carbines. The 4.5 inches of thread apparently is all that is needed for the correct spin. Problem solved.

I have stand along suppressers for other guns. There is no such thing as a great suppressor that fits everything. Generally speaking a hole about .040 bigger than the bullet is as large as you can go and get a hearing safe report.

So, if you buy one of the 45 acp suppressors advertised as one size fits all, they are good for 45 acp and 40 cal. But in a 9mm they are just too loud. On a 223 not good at all. If you want a suppressor for the AR 223, then that is the size you get, it will be good for your AR 223, 22-250, 22 mag and the various 17s. The problem is, length of the suppressor is the most important general criteria period. You great 223 rifle suppressor will be 7-8 inches long and 1.5 inches diameter. That is huge on a pistol and while it will work, you will not like it.

The marketing people sell lots of suppressors by touting the one suppressor for multiple calibers, but I do not know anyone who is happy once they buy one. a second one always follows.

The smartest move in my opinion, after owning them for 20 years, is buy a rimfire suppressor rated for 22 mag or 17 WSM or better yet 22 Hornet. Always stainless of titanium never aluminum of a suppressor and they will last a lifetime. They will be hearing safe for your 5.7 x 28 and similar and all rimfires. With 22 pistols they will be Hollywood quiet, you can sit on your porch without hearing protection and disturb no one, you just have to pick up your empties.

When you go to rifles supersonic, none are Hollywood quiet, they all are loud. But for hearing safe, they must be long and heavy. The general rule is 8 inches, 1.5 inches thick and at least one pound.

So, this one is unique and cheap. Most suppressors are going to cost $600-$1,000 many more. This one appeals to the home defense crowd, those who enjoy shooting suppressed, travelers and such. Nothing else on the market comes close, and the price is what makes people able to afford them. Checking around, they are sold out, most places.

 

honest and true OL, not trying to be argumentative and I'm sure the CQB will sell, a lot no doubt, but for me, and me only perhaps, it just doesn't make sense - and yes, I do get the fact that the CQB is shorter than a gen 3 Kel Tec Sub 2000 would be with a stand-alone suppressor - a big selling point, for some

with the $750 CQB a buyer is getting a suppressor that sits atop 1 firearm (and stays there) when that buyer could spend $411.50 for a gen 3 Sub 2000 in 5.7x28 and another $300 for a Sparrow suppressor that handles 17hmr, 22lr, 22wmr and 5.7 and full-auto to boot for a total of $711.50 and can be swapped between any of those small calibers - handguns or long guns

I'm not a cheap-skate when it comes to firearms but this just makes good sense to me

 

Well just discussing here, but I already have both. The suppressor on the 17 or 5.7 is only for hearing safe, if you go to the range, and shoot a bunch it is still a good idea to wear hearing protection. I have full auto rated rimfire suppressor and actually shoot the 5.7, 17 HMR, 17 WSM, 22 mag and of course 22 lr. I can buy subsonic 22 mag but only the 22 is really quiet, all else are noisy and I cannot shoot them at home, because I have neighbors 200 yards away.

With the rifle can on the Sub 2000, I still cannot get it Hollywood quiet. You need a $800-$1,000 suppressor to get there. Hollywood quiet works best in something like a bolt gun in 300 BLK, I have 5 ARs, in 300 BLK, 5.56 and 7.62 x 39. Even with 208 grain ammo at 1,000 fps they are not that quiet.

Enber this 16 inch tube with 11.5 inches of suppressor, all the reports say they are Hollywood quiet and they are accurate as needed at PCC ranges. Not a niche weapon, but a design that gives them a very unique capability while being 8 inches shorter and at least 1-2 pounds less weight.

If you already have a full auto rated rimfire suppressor for rimfire, that is a great deal. If you want to shoot ARs and AKs and bolt deer guns like I do, then you need a big heavy stand alone can, for $800 up.

This one just satisfies the needs of most people, home defense, quiet shooting fun, and so on, in a 9mm, cheap ammo.

I have the sub200 Gen 2, which does not have the twist forearm and will probably die with it. The 8 inch suppressor works fine, but I only add it for range time. But again, I recommend a rimfire suppressor first, always. But unless a person is suppressing a deer gun, I am now recommending these, even though I have not fired one, maybe I am too trusting of the reviews. Everyone in the industry understands the term Hollywood quiet. I shoot that level about every week at my house but must drive 30 miles to shoot hearing safe.

Later.

 

perhaps you would post a link to one of the youtube videos that show the CQB being shot with "hollywood quietness" - I've yet to see/hear that in the few vids that I've watched.....thanks

 

I've had my Gen 2 Sub 2k 40 caliber for many years. They have their flaws out of the box, but nothing a box full of parts from MCARBO can't fix. I never shot mine stock, but did install almost every part that MCARBO has in it.
The little carbine is great fun to shoot with full power or sub-sonic loads.
Using the factory sights can be tough, but upgrading to using a Sig Romeo 5 RDS on the MCARBO flip up mount solves that problem, and it retains zero every time it is used.

The only issue that I had with the Kel-tec Sub 2k was the lack of any quality recoil pad available for it. The 40 S&W version will leave you black and blue in factory form, so I modified the butt stock and epoxied a custom ground Kick-EEZ recoil pad onto it. Problem solved!

I shoot mine suppressed using a sub-sonic load that I developed using a powder coated 200gr hard cast bullet. I built two Form 1 40 caliber suppressor's to use on the Sub 2k and my Ruger PC Carbine also in 40 S&W. Both of these guns have no problem accurately ringing steel out past 100 yards sub-sonic, and I've shot them easily out to 200 yards with my full power 180 gr loads.
Shooting them suppressed is the most fun, all you hear is the bolt's working, and the steel ringing.

 

I'm seeing from the above pic that the Sub 2000 has a nice case but also seeing that an Optic (and, of course, a Suppressor) must be removed before putting the carbine into the case - no biggie

I personally would go for a gen 3 Sub 2000 in 5.7x28 and then mount a RDS and my Sparrow Suppressor.....a set-up like that vs getting the Sub CQB.....but, since I've no plans on getting one, my opinion is moot

 

The optic / mount flips out of the way on mine, no need to remove it. It also retains the zero when swung back into use.

 

here's my "sub2000 clone".....it's actually a CMMG Banshee MKG, now with folding Brace and uses 15rd mags in .45acp.....21 inches with brace collapsed, 15 inches when brace folded.....suppressed, naw, if I shoot this at an evil-doer (human or animal) I'd like 'em to hear what multiple .45 caliber rounds sound like before - well, you know.....this "does" have a threaded barrel however, should "someone other than me" see a need

oh, and it too has a 5" barrel

sorry about the poor quality of the pics-no flash and no Photoshop on this computer to adjust brightness/contrast

 

Pictures are fine. 15 rounds of 45 acp is as good as needed. Nobody cares what it weighs, but me, what does it weigh? That one would sure be comforting in a tent where there is no cell service. I do have a 10.5 inch in 300 BLK but it is nowhere near as cool as that one.


Once upon a time when I did executive protection, I would have loved to have one of,,,,,that one.

 

5.16 lbs - without mag

 

Nice. In the submachine gun class weapons and things like the Keltec 2000, and AR pistols with a brace, 5 pounds is a weight that you can fire with one hand pretty well. The pistol grip is at a great balance point and the brace or stock runs along the forearm so it is possible to hold it up and fire it with one hand.

In my old job we were protecting people, secret service style, all were under threat and most were heads of other governments. Depending on where we were, guns often were carried in hand, open and displayed as a warning but also ready to go. The M4 was really too long, so we carried others. Often I just carried a handgun in the hand.

If you ever watch them move the president, the 4 man team, which I was, always has one hand touching him or close to him or where they can grab him or push him down. The shooting hand is always empty or has a gun in it, or ready for the draw.

A gun like yours in 45 acp looks like the most perfect tool there can be for that job. Out here in Hooterville, it also looks like the perfect home defense weapon. You always need the second hand free for a cell phone, light, pushing pulling a family member or dog or opening doors etc. That one looks perfect. And, not much better than 45 acp for an indoor shooting event.

Nice gun. Thanks for posting.

 

I bought mine in Sept 2018, been a fine shooter. I have replaced a few plastic parts with MCarbo stuff and put a recoil pad on it. Seven years and no problems that I can recall, fun little gun to shoot! This one takes Beretta 92 mags.

 

Why the recoil pad? To add length? Mine is about 5-6 years old, fine shooter too. It takes Glock 19 mags. I have had zero issues with it. I think you are supposed to clean them every decade or two, not sure. I do actually, just find they do not have problems like many real guns do. Sometimes they just get things right. I think that is one, for what it is supposed to do. Fold it up, throw it in a bag with a bunch of ammo, and forget about it. It is good to go if you need it. Kind of like a Leatherman tool.


I do not care what mags they take, the fact that there is a commonly available handgun magazine out there that fits is a handy thing.

 

HA! I had my shoulder replaced in 2021, thought I might need a pad to protect that $100,000+ investment!!! (I stopped counting the cost on the insurance statements after it passed that figure!) Thankfully I'm covered under Medicare and BCBS, other than 60yrs of pain, and any good chance to throw a baseball again, it didn't cost me anything.

I got mine with Beretta mags just because I had a 92FS that I could switch with in a pinch, don't own a Glock.

I know Kel-Tec had issues when they offered them in different colors, but I never heard of any with the basic black models.