Yugoslavian Mauser M48 and Mosin Nagant surplus rifles?

Discussion in 'Curio & Relic Discussion' started by FIDDLEHEADSTEW, Apr 21, 2012.

  1. FIDDLEHEADSTEW

    FIDDLEHEADSTEW New Member

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    I've been doing some research on these surplus rifles they've been selling and would like to get one but I would like to know from someone who owns one already as what to look for and what to beware of. I don't want to get a rifle just to throw it im my gun cabinet and let it collect dust, I want to use it. The 8mm round is a very good round and would be good for hunting and for the range. The Mosin Nagant is also a good rifle and the 7.62 x 54R is a good round too. So, are these rifles they are currently selling worth buying? And what about the Yugoslavian SKS, from what research I've been doing on the internet it seems the Russian and Romainian seem to be the more sought after, they certainly are more expensive. I've fired the Chinese version of the SKS and it was a fun rifle to shoot with plenty of aftermarket accessories to trick it out, can this be done with the Yugo and Romainian SKS's?.
     
  2. Model70

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    I've looked into the yugo m48 a little myself. I'd like to find a good 98 Mauser to build a 416 Ruger on, or a good Winchester Model 70 action. From what I've heard the yugo Mauser wasn't heat treated right, so some care has to be taken when building high pressure rifles cartridges with them.

    I'm no expert on them by any means, I just saw some for sale and did some looking into before I decided against them.

    I wouldn't waste your time with Mosin Nagants. Lots of quality inexpensive rifles out there that shoot modern cartridges very well.
     

  3. Garadex

    Garadex New Member

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    Ignore that. The Mosin is a very good rifle. It will shoot and last forever. The accuracy isn't too good but will still shoot good enough.
     
  4. WhatupGod44

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    I own a yugo and I love it it's accurate and reliable and the kick isn't terrible. Only downside is being a college student and paying for the ammo but I'd choose it over a mosin but I do like the mosin it's cheap but a nice, sturdy rifle nonetheless
     
  5. Zodiac131911

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    If you can get a Finnish mosin pretty accurate imho, ammo is cheap $10 for a box of twenty. Mine is not same hole accurate but I can shoot a skoal can group at 100 yards with iron sights
     
  6. blahX3

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    7.62x54R surplus ammo is cheap as hell.
    Just be sure to clean up as its corrosive, not a big deal, google is your friend.
     
  7. Model70

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    If shooting old mil-surp at the range is your thing, that's fine. All I'm saying is if you ever want off the range to say go hunting, for not much more money you can get a modern firearm shooting modern non corrosive ammo. Howa, Marlin, Tikka, all great inexpensive options.
     
  8. jpattersonnh

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    I am a Mauser nut. The Yugo rifles are fine, very strong intermediate action. The 24/47 tends to be more accurate IMHO. The 24/47 and M48 are based on the FN M24. The 91/30 is a good rifle, but accuracy ussually does not come close to a Mauser. That being said I have a few 91/30's that are great rifles, but they were made for minute of man accuracy, not a bench shooter.
     
  9. Model70

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    What is the difference between the M48/M24 and the 98? Like I said earlier, I'd love to find a Mauser in good condition to build a 416 Ruger on, but all I know is the 98 is the good one.
     
  10. jpattersonnh

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    The 24/47 and M48 use an intermediate length action. I'm not sure about the OAL of the .416 Ruger, If it is the same as 8x57, it will fit. The '98 action is great. The idea behind the 24 action is that is should be more ridged since it is slightly shorter.
     
  11. Model70

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    The 416 Ruger is just a necked up .375 Ruger and designed to fit in a 30-06 length action. Sound like it should fit. I've heard the yugo's weren't heat treated right, so your gunsmith would have to redo it to make a high pressure (62,000 psi) rifle on it? Any truth to that?
     
  12. jpattersonnh

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    No truth at all. There is a smith near me that builds from .22-250 to short mags on them.
     
  13. FIDDLEHEADSTEW

    FIDDLEHEADSTEW New Member

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    Since you guys are talking about .375 would .375 H&H mag be interchangeable with .375 ruger?
     
  14. robocop10mm

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    the H&H has an overall length of 3.6". The Ruger round has an OAL of 3.35" The H&H will not work in the standard length action. The .375 Ruger does. The Ruger round is the same basic length as a .30-06. I am not sure if the slightly shorter Yugo Mauser will accomodate the slightly longer 06 length round
     
  15. TheOldMan

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    :eek::eek: OH LORD, THEM'S FIGHT'N WORDS BOY! :mad:

    I double dog dare you to find a better shooting long rifle for the money than a Mosin 91/30... You obviously haven't a clue what you're talking about!

    I'll match you shot for shot out of my $70 Mosin Nagant against your "modern" rifle (if you can find one that still shoots for that price)... If you still doubt the accuracy for the 91/30, check out the youtube video of the 1000 yd. shot(s)...

    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t2M1hC4c0tc[/ame]


    Vasily Grigoryevich Zaytsev.. Name sound familiar? Famous Russian sniper.. Guess what he used? Mosin 91/30... Please be careful not to discount the viability of these fine military weapons in the future ok Mod-70?
     
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  16. Model70

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    Your certainly entitled to your own opinion, I just happen to see things differently. ;)

    If you wanna hang out at the range, then it might be cool... :confused:

    But your not taking a Mosin elk hunting are you?
     
  17. TheOldMan

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    Lovely country out in Utah. I'd like to take you up on that if my wife ever gets a transfer out to Ogden (AF Base).. To answer your question on elk hunting with the 7.62x54R...?? My answer is: Of course, why not? Heavier bullet than a 270 Win. which conventional wisdom says is the minimum round for elk. The russian round has better stopping power so of course I'd bring it out. Pretty sure these rifles have been hunted with much longer than any modern round like the .270 Win. (30 years or so prior).

    In any case.. I'm of the opinion that folks put too much stock in modern firearm performance and not enough in clasics like the Mosin Nagant, or the mausers. But then, that's just my opinion.
     
  18. Model70

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    It is quite lovely here, supposed to hit 90 today! :eek:

    I don't mind the classics, if I could find an affordable 98 Mauser... Oh man. I've just never seen the Mosin that could shoot more than a 10 minute group which is fine in a war zone I'm told. (Never served, regrettably)

    I've shot elk with a 25-06 with a 120 gr bullet. Dropped him dead. All about placement- which is where I question the Mosin. 10 inches is plenty of difference between the vitals and the guts.
     
  19. budman46

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    model70 seems to have yanked theoldman's chain by dissing the mosin. i've a few each: mausers, enfields, and mosins; all shoot the same with irons sights, with my cast bullet loads yielding 100 yd, offhand, minute-of-milk-jug accuracy as well.

    military rifles with 10 minute-of-angle accuracy don't guarantee a hit on a man at 200 yds. russian arms' fit and finish may be crude by our standards, but russians field capable weaponry. months ago, GUNS magazine's mike "duke" venturino tested ww2 snipers. a mosin bested enfield, mauser,and springfield 1903a4's by a bit.
     
  20. Trez

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    Why not rebarrel a T38 Arisaka, Model70? Its just a Jap Mauser.. Without the mum they can be had for dirt cheap, and were proven to be the strongest military bolt-action... Ive heard them to be rechambered in all kinds of high powered rounds..

    I have a hard time with the Mosin beating a '03... My '03 with open sights puts my Mosin sniper to shame.. (Mines a older model with the ladder sight though)
    My biggest gripe with the Mosin is the trigger and bolt.. The trigger is just awful, and the one on my sniper is the best Mosin trigger ive felt.. If I shoot anything other than good brass ammo, I need a 2x4 to operate the bolt.. The safety is just horrid too, I read everywhere how bad the Arisaka safety is, but its WAY better than the Mosin...
     
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