Your thoughts on using Wolf Ammo in a Mini 14?

Discussion in 'Mini-14 Forum' started by CA357, Aug 31, 2010.

  1. CA357

    CA357 New Member Supporter

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    Does anybody here shoot Wolf in their Mini's? I have a 581 series and I have a chance to pick up a bunch of Wolf cheap.

    I've never used steel case ammo, I've always stayed away from it, but this is a deal that I can hardly pass up.

    What say you? Yes or no?
     
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  2. dunerunner

    dunerunner New Member

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    CA, I haven't bought Wolf ammo for anything I shoot. I guess I just haven't seen anything I thought I'd want to run through any of my guns.
     

  3. rodent.22

    rodent.22 New Member

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    I've shot a LOT of Wolf thru my 580 series, absolutely NO issues.:D
     
  4. canebrake

    canebrake New Member

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    I shoot .223 Wolf through my Colt 6940 with no issues.

    ~1K downrange

    Don't be an ammo snob and snag a good deal.

    If you don't like it, I'll buy it.
     
  5. KMO

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    Well, it's nice to have a fallback position like Canebrake has offered, but will he also buy your totally ruined Mini-14 after that cheap lacquer-coated ammo freezes up in your chamber? I'm being a wise guy, but I've always steered away from this Russian stuff. I put too much time & effort into my Mini's to put crummy ammo in it. If that makes me an ammo snob, oh well...:cool:
     
  6. CA357

    CA357 New Member Supporter

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    I'm not an ammo snob. :eek: I just don't want to have problems. :D
     
  7. canebrake

    canebrake New Member

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    If you are still laboring under the misconception that Wolf ammo is still being manufactured with a lacquer coating, then you are an ammo snob......or living under a rock.

    Come out from your cave and let me enlighten you about the real reason steel case ammo tends to "stick" spent casings in the chamber.

    The interference friction is caused by a build-up of carbon deposits between the case and chamber wall. This deposit is the result of the steel case ammo failing to obturate upon firing. The steel case is not as malleable as brass and does not expand against the chamber wall, sealing the gas from blowing back.

    Is Rusky ammo dirty? Yes, in relation to our ammo. Does it take more effort to insure a clean rifle after a range outing? Yes, but this is not an issue with those of us that, "...put too much time & effort into my [rifle]...”

    The Wolf, et al, Eastern Bloc ammo gets a bad rap for lacquer issues of sticky chambers and extractor wear/breakage from steel casings, both of which are erroneous.

    • First, the vast majority of "stuck casings" are actually brass cartridges being fired after the Russian ammo without a good cleaning. The build-up interferes with the brass as it obturates.
    • Second, failure analysis reveals extractor wear/breakage is caused by primer-sealer build-up that remains for too long, or forever.
    From your self-proclamation, and my knowledge of Don’s meticulous stewardship of his firearms, I think it’s safe to expect no issues with the use of the Wolf.

    If either of you undergo a paradigm shift to dirt-bag status.....I recommend staying away from Eastern Bloc ammo. [​IMG]
     
  8. KMO

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    Dang, I admitted I was being a wise guy and the moderator ripped me a new one anyway...:eek: Hey, I know they quit manufacturing their "Eastern Block" ammo with lacquer coatings, but there is still a lot of it for sale out there, especially second-hand sales. Now, am I still an ammo snob if I buy mostly Federal 55-gr. 100-packs at Wal-Mart? I still wouldn't use the Russian stuff though...:cool:
     
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  9. YoungGunWill

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    Well if you live in a VERY humid place then you might have problems, we bought a box if .223 wolf military classics and after 2 weeks in his cabinet they had surface rust on them:mad: thanks to Ky humidity. But Cheap skate Cavitt couldn't just let them go, so he loaded a 20 round mag in his Mini 14 Ranch rifle. At shot 3 the firing pin hit the primer but no discharge, same deal after shot 10; they had about the same amount of rust on them.
     
  10. ironsights

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    I have a mini Ranch 14 rifle and have had problems with wolf ammo, most other ammo functions fine. My ammo was bought two years ago at a gun show in southern Calif and has really turned out NOT to be the deal of the century, more problems then I saved.
     
  11. canebrake

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    I'm just tired of that old lacquer BS. [​IMG]

    No harm, no foul..........it's all good.

    Wolf is good cheap-shit plinkin' ammo, not national match stuff.

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    You're still a ammo snob!
     
  12. CA357

    CA357 New Member Supporter

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    I plan on using it strictly for range fodder. I have LC XM193 and Federal AE223 Tactical for anything real world. Up until now, my range ammunition has been PMC.

    I value my firearms and maintain them to the best of my ability. I just want to make sure I do no harm. If the consensus of the men here that I trust and consider mentors is that Wolf is okay for my Mini, I'll try it. If the results are unsatisfactory, I'll just sell the stuff and buy some more of the good stuff.
     
  13. CornCod

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    I have had zero problems with Wolf .223 in my early production Colt
    AR-15A2. I usually clean after every range trip. A couple of years ago, I scored a 500 round stash of (presumably early 90's era) Norinco .223 with brass casings, which was very reliable, but I found the Wolf to be significantly more accurate.
     
  14. CA357

    CA357 New Member Supporter

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    I pick it up Thursday. I'll shoot some and see how it goes. Thanks for the feedback gentlemen.
     
  15. M14sRock

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    Don, I stacked many, many cases of Wolf .223 in the bunker when it was still cheap. It gets used in the dez (all of mine is magnetic) through my Minis and AR's, and has been no problem at all.

    The only issues I've had it that after running the gun til it is "hot", if I leave a round in the chamber and let the gun cool down, that empty case will stick in the chamber when it is fired.

    My fix is to pop the round from the chamber after heating up, and leave the bolt locked back until ready to fire again.
     
  16. CA357

    CA357 New Member Supporter

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    Thanks for the tip.
     
  17. Mongo

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    Is there an easy way to tell the difference?

    I have a case of Wolf .223 unopened. Does anyone know how to identify the lacquered from the non? Sorry for the dumb question..
     
  18. CA357

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    That's not a dumb question Mongo. I don't know the answer either. I would guess that the newer/newest ammo is not lacquered. But I don't know how to differentiate between them.
     
  19. CA357

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    I picked the Wolf ammo up this morning. There's 500 rounds sealed in plastic, I guess it's supposed to be a battle pack of sorts and a few hundred loose rounds.

    I'm going to put a few mags of it through the Mini when Dune and I go shooting. Assuming there's no glitches, I'll shrinkwrap the rest of the loose rounds with some dessicant and put it all by for SHTF.

    More ammunition is always good. ;)
     
  20. Mongo

    Mongo Well-Known Member Supporter

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    Lacquered or not??

    Did you figure out how to tell the difference? I'm thinking shoot the Wolf & save the the Lake City green point for ---------