You and 140 million other people wandering the country side.

Discussion in 'Survival & Sustenance Living Forum' started by Rex in OTZ, Mar 3, 2009.

  1. Rex in OTZ

    Rex in OTZ Well-Known Member

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    If a SHTF situation did occor and folks started a mass exodous of large metro areas millions of people going to the mountains and prarie regions and swarming the wooded areas, rural folk wouldent be able to resist the throngs of ignorant and hungry desperate folks thinking the country,swamps mountains are the place to go and there should be plentiful game.
    The masses of sheeple flooding to the country will most likely kill off the local's that know anything about farming and animal husbandry
    then they'll dirty up the country and eat all the grain seed stock, slaughter all the livestock, and wild game will be scarce as the second week of hunting season. water will most likely be contaminated by ignorant people doing there toilet business wherever leading to cholera or some other disease.
    i'd just as soon stay home and garden my back yard and support my local authorties.
     
  2. matt g

    matt g New Member Supporter

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    Go further into the wilderness than the ignorant dare.
     

  3. dunerunner

    dunerunner New Member

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    S#%T, I need more amunition!! :eek:
     
  4. bkt

    bkt New Member

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    I don't plan to leave home unless there is a damn good compelling reason. And if I do have to leave home, it will be with several other families I trust as much as my own family; there's strength in numbers.

    Most city folk (up here, anyway) will be looking to government for help; they won't even think of depending on themselves and foraging for food or making their own shelter. Heaven forbid. They're all entitled to more than that. Just ask 'em, they'll confirm it.
     
  5. Rex in OTZ

    Rex in OTZ Well-Known Member

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    Well that sounds all & good but then there is the 7 to 13 millions that will go to Mexico and the other 8 to 29 million that will head for the mountains in the east & west, not counting on the other 17 million that are sailing&hikeing to Canada the Pacific Northwest and Alaska.then the 500,000 or so sailing to the south pacific and pacific rim islands
    You will run but only die tired and hungry.

    BKT is spot on!

    The World Bank wouldent let the model of world capitalism totally collapse the UN would be called in to keep those folks working and paying them mortages and buying products from walmart, they definately wouldent allow a bunch of rampageing refugee people to dismantle the agricultral infrastructure already in place for produceing massive crops, we can produce its just not economicly feaseable, we out source like our mfg, we will soon outsource our health care as well.
     
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  6. mrm14

    mrm14 Active Member

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    Jeeze, Where to go? We have 5 houses/property in 3 states.
     
  7. Dillinger

    Dillinger New Member

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    I have said for awhile now that I will be looking for other forum members avatar's at the pile of bodies out at about 700-800 yards mark from my place. :D

    I live on a very large hill, with a lake nearby that is glacier fed, I got a generator that runs on Natural gas, so unless the Main line breaks there will be constant line pressure to run the lights and heat, and we got a whole neighborhood filled with big trucks and gun racks.

    "City Folks" just won't be tooling in through the outlands to "take" what they want around here...

    I am not bugging out unless that big bastard mountain turns active and goes St. Helens on the valley.....

    JD
     
  8. stalkingbear

    stalkingbear Well-Known Member

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    I sure do hope you're being sarcastic and don't REALLY believe that!





     
  9. skullcrusher

    skullcrusher New Member

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    Rex, you do realize that there are over 300 million in the US. City folk won't go beyond where they can walk, that's about 10 blocks. Take New Orleans for a model when they knew Katrina was coming. Sh** was coming with the fan then. There are large numbers of people living in cities that have never been any further away from home than they can walk with ease. Then, there are millions more that have never looked for any other route outta town than the main interstates and highways. Then, there are millions more that can get out, but have no idea what to do in the wilderness....let's call them food.

    Then, there are the rest of us. :D

    Good thread.
     
  10. mrm14

    mrm14 Active Member

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    Mount Ranier eh? Well theres alot of old andesite around, she sports a narrow central hydrothermal system, has more than 55 lahar and debirs flows from very long ago. Pumice layers last laid down between 1820 and 1858. Last lava eruption around 2,200 years ago. Pyroclastic flows erupted around 1,100 years ago. Shes still an active volcano with eruption intervals I think about every 2,200 years. However, at least through the 1980's studies, there doesnt appear to be any tilting or bulging deformities at this time. Although there not always massive eruptions by studies done at this site, and theres only a few studies that have been done, and the last ones in the 1980's, she could still go almost anytime, and anytime could be next week to 200 years from now. Probably just a little event though. My bet it'll be some pyroclastic flows along with some lahar and debris flows. (melting glaciers) Dont really know if she'll be as massive as Mt. St. Helens, I dont think so, but you'll have some mess to clean up afterwards.
     
  11. Rex in OTZ

    Rex in OTZ Well-Known Member

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    Well that may be so.
    Thats why I left a few Millions outa the original figure figureing on some folks staying put, but then there is only so much food to go around things can and do get dice'y, a old Trapper saying its only takes 24hours to change your mind what you would eat (WWII vets remember eating the leather slings).
    There will alway's be a element (?criminal??)that will exploit such breakdown of basic civil services, profiteering, extortion, strong arm tactics, it doesent take much (Rodney King riots comes to mind) riots would light off, everybody rushing to get there share before it's all gone.
    Hunger can be a great motivater, people that would be normally passive turn bad just look at christmas shopping (Remember cabbage patch dolls when they first came out??) if people go nut's just shopping for a stinkin doll what you think some them socker moms would get all Mogadishu on you in a NewYork minuet with some starvin&ribbey kids to feed!
    Not to mention someone having a grudge against you (like your spouses Ex boyfriend/Husband) a neighbor's land dispute, it wouldent take much for people to turn ugly.
     
  12. skullcrusher

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    I agree that people will get ugly, but you need to tour some areas of the country that are not near a metropolis. A 4 hour drive from LA is still near a metropolis. A 4 hour drive from Chicago is not near a metropolis. Things are relative geographically.
     
  13. skullcrusher

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    And the Super Volcano under Yellowstone may erupt at any minute. That is considered a SHTF scenario. Imagine dark skies for weeks, and a fall out that will coat the country (depending on wind) with feet of ash and debris. You'd better be ready, because some people are.
     
  14. dnthmn2004

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    When the super volcano under Yellowstone goes all bets are off. It will potentially be a world wide mass extinction event. Many will survive but many more will perish. You wont have to worry about global warming anymore as the world will be thrown into a mini ice age. Now if the glacial ice on Greenland faults and melts away into the oceans and stalls the currents between the contentents and thus the weather, were going to be into a real ice age, which lasts for many thousands of years. Buy the way in geological time were near over due for this geological event on our planet. Mother nature has a cruel way of regulating things and no power on this world can stop her. That being said, I dont think and really hope neither of these events happen in my lifetime.
     
  16. Dillinger

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    Ran into a bit of a snag I am afraid. I got too many people mad about shooting assignments, so I had to restructure the entire org chart.

    So I am basically at square one, but it definitely starts with a general warning and call to arms.

    Then us "normal folk" link up with their appointed forum travel buddy, most of whom are Jeep guys from Jeep Forums and have spent thousands of dollars on their vehicles waiting for the signal from Heimdal's Horn...

    Then we meet and secure a base camp, and learning from the readings of the past, we don't choose a valley and we make sure we have running water. :D

    After that, it's kind of a gray area.... How gray? Charcoal..... :eek:

    JD
     
  17. dnthmn2004

    dnthmn2004 New Member

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    I can only hope we fall into an iceage. 24 years of dealing with New England weather is good preparation. I'll relocate somewhere south and it will be just like home.:cool: I'll be fine, while mother nature cleanses the earth.
     
  18. dnthmn2004

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    I think making a list of travel buddies should be close to first on the list of "to-dos". Moderators should temporarily take the leadership roll until we get to our main survival location. BKT, I'm with you. I PROMISE I won't mention the Red Sox or Yankees for the whole trip.:D
     
  19. mrm14

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    If we go into a more normal scenereo ice age it will be slow and glaciation of your neck of the woods will take quite awhile. Climate zones will change/move to the south somewhat. Most but not all of contential USA could eventually cover with glacires. Ultimately in this scenereo crops will be a bit of a problem, however, not near as catastrophic as if Yellowstone went off. If Yellowstone goes off the mini-ice age will last maby to 100 years or less but with massive world wide crop failures in the begining years. (Blocked out and reduced sunlight) Plants simply will die and new ones will not grow for up to several years. Everything we eat will nearly disappear. The population that perishes from the initial eruption may end up being the lucky ones as their suffering will be over quickly.
     
  20. skullcrusher

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    What's global warning, Al? :rolleyes: