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Discussion in 'AR-15 Discussion' started by V3ritas_A3quitas, Mar 22, 2010.

  1. V3ritas_A3quitas

    V3ritas_A3quitas New Member

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    Hey guys new here to the forums! Been lurking for a couple of days. Anyways, i recently went shooting for the first time in my life and really enjoyed it. Coupled with the fact ive been reading about when TSHTF scenarios and such recently, I've really started to gain an interest in owning and learning how to use a gun.

    I've read through all of juhno's and others threads and really am interested in building my own AR. So I thought I'd drop in and ask for your guys' help! I'm not very savvy with guns yet as I've just gotten interested so ANY information you guys can give me would be great.

    The AR I shot at the range was a .22. I really liked the style of the gun, but idk if that is a normal sized bullet for the AR or not. Like I said I don't know too much yet but I'm anxious to learn and I hope you guys can help me out and point me in the right direction.

    I know I've kinda ranted on so I'll kind of sum up what I'm asking. Just really some beginner info about ARs and also some tips and recommendations about how and what I should get to build my own AR.
     
  2. JR36

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    I cant help you with the building aspect as thats what im around this parts trying to learn myself but my advice for someone with your experience around firearms is to learn what you can about them outside of actually firing them. You dont have to be at a range to learn the proper safety and manipulation of a firearm.

    Ive spent a good deal of time training various personel on several rifles and id have given my right leg for them to have the basics down(or understood english). Its much easier to teach how to actually properly shoot a rifle than to teach why you manipulate the rifle the way you do.

    Even stuff like
    HowStuffWorks "How Machine Guns Work"
    is a good start. Just understanding the mechanics of a rifle is a large part of proper manipulation. The differences in magazine changes on an empty chamber vs a round in the chamber, stance, proper sight alignment/sight picture, where what parts are on the weapon, how your hands will move to manipulate these parts, etc can all be learned to a point without actual trigger time.

    Heres a ton of info on the M16 family of weapons, a lot of it is crap you can ignore for now but a lot of it is solid information. Safety Rules and Weapon Conditions are pretty standard stuff to know.

    http://www.scribd.com/doc/432351/USMC-MCRP-301A-Rifle-Marksmanship
     
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  3. V3ritas_A3quitas

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    Thanks JR for the suggestions. When I went to the range I was taught how some of the stuff generally works. correct stance, breathing, aiming, and am overview of how the guns I was shooting worked.

    But what are the differences in ammo with the AR? Between .22 ans 5.56? Which one should my Ar use?

    What exactly is an upper and a lower? What are things to look for ehen buying them?

    Thanks again JR as I'll definitely be trying to catch up on the stuff I don't have to be at the range to learn.
     
  4. lonyaeger

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    First off, if you look at all the stickies above the thread that you just started, you'll see lots of good information on ARs and builds that were submitted by members of this forum.

    Secondly, you want to dispel the notion that the AR is a machine gun, which it is NOT and which are highly illegal in this country! :mad:

    Thirdly, there are lots of free videos on the Web (Brownell's and Midway to name a couple) that have excellent step-by-step instructions on how to put an AR together. Many members here will recommend that you build your own, which is really easy, so that you'll know from the get-go how everything works with the platform. Plus, you'll save some money to be able to put toward the optic that you're going to want.

    The AR15 is chambered in 5.56 Nato/.223. .223 ammo is readily available in most parts of the country. After you get started, you can buy a conversion kit that you could use to convert your AR to .22, which is quite a bit cheaper to shoot and a heckuva lot of fun.

    Lots of good support and information in this forum. These guys talked me through building mine. I would just recommend that you be patient and learn as much as you can before jumping in to anything. My desk is littered with expensive paperweights in the form of AR accessories that I bought before I knew exactly what I wanted or needed!
     
  5. Dillinger

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    http://www.firearmstalk.com/forums/f20/lets-end-ar-bs-5843/

    http://www.firearmstalk.com/forums/f20/how-build-ar-lower-receiver-4987/


    A couple of threads you should read through. Building your own AR is a great way to go and gets you very familiar with the operation of the unit.

    These weapons are not complicated, and people seem to think you need a degree in weaponscraft to maintain them. Don't fall into the hype. It's not that hard to make an AR run well and keep it clean so it will always run.

    Best of luck.

    JD
     
  6. V3ritas_A3quitas

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    Thanks JD,

    I've got a few more questions for you guys. First, when you guys say build, do
    you mean as in piece by piece building for instance the lower, so I have to build every little piece seperately or do you guys mean like, a lower, upper, etc.. And then putting it together?

    Would you guys mind giving me like a list o the parts I need to buy so I can begin to search for the parts I would want to get?

    Thans guys, you've been a big help!
     
  7. lonyaeger

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    I purchased the lower, stripped receiver completely naked. Since it's the piece with the serial number, you'll need to purchase it from a dealer or order it and have it shipped to an FFL.

    Then you can order a lower parts kit LOTS of places. This will give you all you need for the lower. EASY to put together with just a couple tools....you can get a roll pin set for about $15 and you'll want a rubber mallet as well.

    I bought a complete upper already assembled, because that's a little harder to put together. Now, just find the buttstock you want and **voila**....you have your AR.

    One thing.....you might want to check out the special Rock River Arms has going on right now. They make really good stuff....and the deal is hard to beat, even with building your own.

    Rock River Arms: NEW! RRA LAR-15 Operator Series
     
  8. Dillinger

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    When we are talking build around here, about 95% of the time, we are talking about "Assembling" a weapon with purchased components.

    There are exceptions, but those are not very common.

    In the case of the AR platform, usually, we are talking about buying pieces and assembling the lower as a stand alone unit. An upper as a stand alone unit, and then putting them together to make the weapon.

    For the lower you are going to need:

    Lower Receiver - ( any one with a good price will do. Billet is better than cast, by a small margin, but it is better. Just don't buy cheap Chinese pot metal crap and you will be alright ).

    Lower Receiver Parts Kit - This is going to be a bag of components ( springs, detents, pins, trigger, hammer fire control selector, take down and pivot pins, etc ). These will go into the Lower Receiver. Almost all the LPK's come with a standard pistol grip.
    Stock - You are going to need to choose one. Standard, solid, A2 stock. Collapsible. 5 Position. 6 Position. Everyone has their perfect choice. Make sure it comes with the Buffer Spring, the Buffer Tube & The Buffer. Some stocks come without them as a cheaper option. Don't get caught up in getting a lighter spring and a 9mm Buffer or any of that other crap people write about. Start with stock and tune from there. Magpul makes some of the best collapsible stocks I have tried, but they are not cheap.

    That's about all you need for the lower. Check that link on How to Assemble your AR lower and all the parts will be shown in pictures and where they go.

    From there, then we can talk about the upper.

    JD
     
  9. Dillinger

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    I have had PM conversations with the OP and he shot an AR with a conversion kit.

    If you can find a deal on one or two complete pieces, that is one way to go, but you don't learn anything about the weapon.

    Junho, the college kid who's thread helped inspire the OP, started here knowing nothing and is now making regular changes to his AR platform because he gained the knowledge of how the weapon works.

    That is invaluable in my estimation and is worth MUCH more than saving $50 or $100 on a mismatching upper and lower that someone else assembled for you.

    But, that is my opinion. YMMV.

    JD
     
  10. lonyaeger

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    If I'm wrong, I apologize. Where do you get your information? Out of 50 states, do you know how many in which machine (automatic) guns are legal?
     
  11. canebrake

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    The cartridge on the left is a .22LR (Bullet diameter .223 in/5.7 mm, Case type; Rimmed, Straight) and the cartridge on the right is the .223 Rem/5.56 NATO (Bullet diameter .224 in/5.7 mm, Case type; Rimless, bottleneck) both considered 22 caliber.

    Which one did you shoot at the range?





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    ^ This is a sample of "complete" uppers. You can buy these on line and have them shipped directly to you.


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    ^ These are samples of "stripped & complete" lowers. You can also purchase these on line but will need to have them shipped to a FFL for transfer to you. This is the part of the AR that carry's the serial number. You can have one lower and attach several different uppers.

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    This is a complete AR with the upper and lower joined. You can also buy complete ARs on line and will need to have them shipped to a FFL for transfer to you.
     
  12. V3ritas_A3quitas

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    Thanks canebrake that is sooooo helpful. I definitely shot the .22LR at the range. But it felt weird, almost like shooting a airsoft gun.

    The gun I want to build is definitely a SHTF gun, and one I can modify and take to the range to get better with. Anyone have suggestions on some upper an lowers? I like the A4 lower Better than the A2, after looking at the pictures above. Should I buy a complete lower, or a stripped down one? My budget for building will probably be in the $700 range.

    Thanks again guys you've been a lot of help!
    help.
     
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  13. canebrake

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    Just did a build p/n dump in another thread.

    If you care to read, go here:

    http://www.firearmstalk.com/forums/f20/playing-idea-building-my-own-rifle-24988/#post255125
     
  14. Dzscubie

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    Don't be sarcastic Noob, have a little respect in your responses to someone questioning your statements.
     
  15. MoHawk

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    I've been seeing a not so pretty trend of this attitude toward senior members.
     
  16. V3ritas_A3quitas

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    So I looked at that thread canebrake but I'm still a little confused. So to build the gun I only need a complete upper and a complete lower? Do I buy them both that way or just a complete upper and buy the lower in parts? Any recommendation for what company to buy from? I kinda just need to be pointed in the right direction.
     
  17. JR36

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    Depends really on what the word complete means when refering to uppers and lowers. You could snag both of these,

    Del-Ton, Inc. AR-15 Complete Lower Receiver with Buttstock
    DSAZM4 A3 Upper Rcr With 16" Barrel *PARKED* M4-DSZM4CBUPARK-D S Arms

    then snag a bolt carrier group for around $110-130, a $15 charging handle, and a $30 detachable carrying handle/w sights and hit the range (unless Ive over looked something)

    Theres a lot of options,
    Stripped Lowers - just one chunk of metal
    Complete lowers - chunk of metal + all the parts from a LPK (lower parts kit)
    Complete lower with stock - chunk of metal+LPK+stock(and its parts)
     
  18. canebrake

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    I bought this 5.56 NATO Colt 6940 complete for ~2 X your budget.

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    I got my daughter this 22LR Colt M4 for <$500.

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    I bought the complete upper and built the lower on this Hog Gun.

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    You can get in cheap and fast like this:

    Olympic Arms AR15 Rifle

    Problem is, it's been my experience that guys that do this are always disappointed unless they bought the gun for the farm or truck.

    Stag Arms

    Del-Ton, DTI-4 Rifle

    Rock River Arms

    DPMS: AR-15 Rifles



    I'm confident you can build a gun you will be happy with for your budget. Just take your time, ask a ton of questions and do not compromise or be bullied into a gun that's not you!

    Stay here in the AR15 section and read everything you can, ask questions when you run across something that does not make sense. There are no dumb questions, just good members that are willing to help you achieve your finished AR.

    It is very cathartic when you pull the loud switch on your first round. At that moment the question shift's from, "Can I do this?" to "I did that!" Verrrry cool.
     
  19. slowryde45

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    In the $700 range, know that your choices will be pretty limited. However, not impossible. I don't know what your transfer fees would be to your local FFL, but here's an option for you:

    R-Guns.Net

    DPMS 16" A3 Sportical Rifle
    NOW IN STOCK
    $629.00

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    Other than that, there are options that will get you into a very good AR, but you'll be pushing the $700 limit. The one above gives you a little bit leftover for some type of sights.

    Slo
     
  20. slowryde45

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    Category: Rock River Arms Barreled Uppers Rock River Arms Mid Length A4 Lightweight Complete Upper The NEW Rock River Arms 16" Wilson lightweight, Govt. contour chrome moly ( NOT CHROME LINED ) barrel with 5.56 NATO chamber and 1/9 twist rate. Midlength handguards and steel front sight tower with bayonet lug. Flat top receiver.
    Complete with bolt carrier assembly and forged charging handle.


    Our Price: each $470.00

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    Category: Rock River Arms Lowers Rock River Arms Complete Lower Standard Trigger A2 Stock Rock River Arms Complete Lower Standard Trigger A2 Stock. Copy of FFL Required for purchase.


    Our Price: each Was $290.00
    On Sale For $265.00


    Doing the math, that is a brand new Rock River Mid Length Gas system, 16" A4 complete upper, with Rock River A2 stock lower with standard trigger, for a grand total of $735!

    Keep in mind that is WITHOUT transfer fees or shipping. ;)

    PK Firearms

    Also, you would still need some type of rear sight or optics.

    Slo