XDm 5.25" 45ACP Malfunction

Discussion in 'XD Forum' started by Balota, Feb 16, 2013.

  1. Balota

    Balota ... but I used to play keyboards.

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    Ran into a malfunction during an IDPA Classifier last week. I've now been able to repeatably demonstrate the malfunction. I have a video showing the problem, but I'm not sure how to upload it for y'all to see. YouTube? (Edit: Never tried uploading to YouTube before. Have no idea if this will work. [ame]http://youtu.be/C0EFCiLlrsU[/ame] )

    Problem occurs when a round is in the chamber. During the Classifier, after 1 round was fired, the slide did not return all the way back into battery. It stopped about 1/8" short of being in battery. Almost always a normal cycle returns the slide with far more than enough momentum to get all the way into battery. I don't know for sure whether the slide went into battery and bounced back out or whether it stopped short.

    I can repeat this situation using snap caps and manually cycling the slide. After loading a snap cap, I can perform a very gentle chamber check. Pull the slide back just far enough to see the snap cap color. Then gently return the slide forward. The slide hangs up 1/8" short of battery.

    When the gun is in this condition, the slightest nudge is enough to finish the job and return to battery. If I point the muzzle straight down, the weight of the slide is generally enough to get back into battery.

    When I pinch the slide back slowly I can see the chamber end of the barrel drop down slightly. When I return the slide slowly, the barrel does not push back up until the slide gets that slight extra nudge.

    Any thoughts?
     
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  2. lbwar15

    lbwar15 New Member

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    The gun barrel brakes free and tilts up at the muzzle when the slide is manipulate. If you barley move it back as you did in the video it will not have enuf momentum to allow it to lock the barrel in place and return to battery. All tilt barrel guns will do this that I am aware of. My XD and glock do it.

    Pull the slide all the way back and let go. It should go all the way into position. A good cleaning and lube should fix it.
     

  3. Renegade44

    Renegade44 New Member

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    Is the rail burred up or warped, spring damaged or tweaked? I've got the same exact gun and have yet to have that issue. I do oil my rails, inner and outer after each range shooting too.
    Looks like it has a catch either at the rear or the front to prevent forward motion. It can't be a biggy, since you can barely bump it forward or downward angle remedies it.
     
  4. Wiebelhaus

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    I've seen this before and it was corrected in that case by shaving burs off the rails on both the slide and the frame, it may also be warping or broken rail system but if you can determine where it's catching you may be able to correct it, the other case I saw was on a cheap Smith 40, SVE's I think, the black and silver ones.
     
  5. Balota

    Balota ... but I used to play keyboards.

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    Pretty much a new gun, about 1000 rounds total so far. I clean it and lube it after every range visit (typical 50-100 rounds per trip). At the Classifier, the Match Director (a gunsmith) checked the gun out. He said if anything it's a little over lubricated, but not a sloppy mess or anything.

    If the malfunction only happened when pinch checking the chamber, I wouldn't worry much. But it happened after a normal live firing. Not limp wristed or anything like that. Just cleaned it about 2 hours ago after a range trip that involved no malfunctions at all. I'll strip it down again to look closely for any burrs or other funny looking stuff on the slide and rails.

    Seems like I have 3 main options:
    1. Send back to Springfield.
    2. Take to local gunsmith (at the shop where I bought it).
    3. Do nothing.

    The last is not a choice I'd make without some very experienced person explaining why this is not a real problem.
     
  6. orangello

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    Good luck, i wanna know how it works out.
     
  7. Brennan16

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    Not saying that yours and my problem was of the same result but I had one similar.
    My XD40 service pistol was doing about the same thing. I have had at least 1500 rounds through mine when it started. I bought a Wolff spring kit (22 lbs instead of factory 17 lbs) and it solved all my problems. It's been working great for over a year now.
     
  8. Balota

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    Just took it down and looked close with a flashlight. I don't see any kind of burrs either on the slide or the frame rails. It won't stay out of battery if the chamber is empty. It almost looks like the loaded chamber indicator is bumping up against the back of the round. But I can move the indicator by finger pressure without releasing the hangup. Grrrr....
     
  9. Balota

    Balota ... but I used to play keyboards.

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    I'm guessing that's the recoil spring you're describing. I think I'll talk to my local gunsmith about this before I try throwing in 3rd party parts. But a stronger recoil spring would have that extra "nudge" built in. Makes sense.
     
  10. Brennan16

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    Plus it will have more longevity.
     
  11. JonM

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    Might have a piece of crud hanging in the chamber indicator might be worth hitting it with some power blaster see if anything knocks loose.

    Im not a huge fan of indicators that are just extra parts. Its a slight negative on the xdm line

    Might also be some crud in the extractor channel hanging it up.
     
  12. Balota

    Balota ... but I used to play keyboards.

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    Debris in the gun could certainly cause my symptoms. But I've had the thing apart (at least field stripped) and I've thoroughly cleaned everything I can reach. Gonna take it to the gunsmith Sunday.
     
  13. Balota

    Balota ... but I used to play keyboards.

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    Forgot to post a followup.

    Gunsmith said the problem was my use of WWB ammo.:rolleyes: I told him that didn't make a lot of sense since I can repeat the problem with snap caps or with any other ammo of his choice. He also suggested that the problem was that the gun was dry. I had brought it in right after a match and a Classifier. It was pretty dry at that point, but the hangup is repeatable even after a proper lube with a snap cap in the chamber. He's done good work for me in the past, but I can't figure out this response.

    I've inspected the rails as closely as I can (magnifying glass) and find no burrs or other irregularities. The indicator is free to move while the gun is in the stuck position, so I don't think it's involved (it just looked that way at first).

    Since that time I've used the gun in an IDPA match (can't find 9mm ammo for the matches, grrrr....) Had no malfunctions Saturday, but when I took the gun apart to clean it after the match, the hangup was still repeatable.
     
  14. Brennan16

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    Try a Wolff spring set-up
     
  15. Change the recoil spring. Had the same problem with a 5.25 - new recoil spring solved the problem.
     
  16. Brennan16

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    Yeah. I've been saying that from the beginning
     
  17. Balota

    Balota ... but I used to play keyboards.

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    Checked on Wolff website (gunsprings.com). They list springs for only the 4.5" XDm, not the 5.25". I have a question in to their customer service group to see if they make the 5.25" spring set. Did you use a Wolff spring Cortez?
     
  18. orangello

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    Kinda makes me wonder if SA just used 5" springs on some of those.
     
  19. Balota

    Balota ... but I used to play keyboards.

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    Got a response from Wolff:

    "Reports from customers indicate that the 5.25” XDm uses the same spring as the 4.5” XDm pistol. We have not had a 5.25” XDm in house as yet but we have sold many of our spring to other 5.25” XDm owners and they have verified the springs are the same and work in their pistols. Please click HERE to go to the Springfield page on our web site to review and order.



    Regards,

    John Andrews

    Wolff Gunsprings"

    OK, now a different question. How many rounds is a recoil spring good for on a 5.25" barrel 45acp gun? I have about 1000 rounds or maybe a bit more in the gun at this point. Someone told me they were good for 800-1000 rounds. Is this a worn out spring? Do I need to change springs every 1000 rounds?
     
  20. yogiboobooranger

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    Most believe that the recoil spring is good for 5-6000 rounds. Just as a side note, I could do the same thing with my XDm's and my Glocks with factory installed recoil springs. I replaced all of my factory recoil springs with aftermarket wolff recoil springs, upping the spring weights to allow for shooting hotter loads. I now cannot make my slide stay out of battery on any of my guns.