Would it be legal if..

Discussion in 'Legal and Activism' started by bluez, Mar 2, 2013.

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  1. bluez

    bluez Well-Known Member

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    if you are at an open carry demonstration and want to defeat face recognition software and high resolution photography if you wear a ski mask and tape over the serial # of your weapon?

    maybe a Ski mask patterend as an american flag would be more palatable?
    or tieing a properly sized american flag to cover the face up to the eyes.

    This would be sufficient to defeat face recognition software also while looking less scary.

    In Europe hard core demonstrators from the left often wear ski masks or as a minimum cover parts of the face.

    We are obiouvsly not at the stage where such demonstrations are happening.
    And at this stage it would not be advisable and likely used by the enemies of our republic to show how we are bad and scary...

    But if condtions modify...
    is there a federal law against a) wearing aski mask in public and b) temporarily taping over the serial? (another solution to the serial would be to cary the weapon so the serial is cobvered up of course)
     
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  2. JonM

    JonM Moderator

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    in my book if you are wearing a mask AND carrying a firearm or other commonly recognized weapon... you are NOT one of the good guys and have said to me please eliminate the threat.

    only government hitmen and terrorists need to cover their faces
     

  3. dog2000tj

    dog2000tj New Member

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    I know of no law or regulation that requires you to show you face :cool:
     
  4. Rarity

    Rarity New Member

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    I believe it is illegal to wear a ski mask in certain jurisdictions. You would have to check your local laws. It is your right; although, there are local laws that infringe upon them.

    So, I would check to make sure.
     
  5. c3shooter

    c3shooter Administrator Staff Member

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    Bluez- You asked if it was legal.

    Does this bunch of bozos LOOK like lawyers? :rolleyes:

    Now. LEGAL means complies with the law. And there are 57 different states that have laws. Do not know about where YOU are, but here in Virginia, you WILL end up needing that lawyer. C&P from the Virginia Criminal Code:

    § 18.2-422. Prohibition of wearing of masks in certain places; exceptions.

    It shall be unlawful for any person over sixteen years of age while wearing any mask, hood or other device whereby a substantial portion of the face is hidden or covered so as to conceal the identity of the wearer, to be or appear in any public place, or upon any private property in this Commonwealth without first having obtained from the owner or tenant thereof consent to do so in writing. However, the provisions of this section shall not apply to persons (i) wearing traditional holiday costumes; (ii) engaged in professions, trades, employment or other activities and wearing protective masks which are deemed necessary for the physical safety of the wearer or other persons; (iii) engaged in any bona fide theatrical production or masquerade ball; or (iv) wearing a mask, hood or other device for bona fide medical reasons upon (a) the advice of a licensed physician or osteopath and carrying on his person an affidavit from the physician or osteopath specifying the medical necessity for wearing the device and the date on which the wearing of the device will no longer be necessary and providing a brief description of the device, or (b) the declaration of a disaster or state of emergency by the Governor in response to a public health emergency where the emergency declaration expressly waives this section, defines the mask appropriate for the emergency, and provides for the duration of the waiver. The violation of any provisions of this section shall constitute a Class 6 felony.

    (Code 1950, §§ 18.1-364, 18.1-367; 1960, c. 358; 1975, cc. 14, 15; 1986, c. 19; 2010, cc. 262, 420.)
     
  6. bluez

    bluez Well-Known Member

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    c3 shooter.
    Thank you , for both the refernece and obviously the first comment is good as well.

    Biut you see it worked out anyway since you answered :)

    I think wearing large sunglasses in combination with a baseball cap is proably sufficient to confuse face recognition software.


    PS: Jon: Policemen also gett o cover their faces when they out on riot gear. And they carry weapons also.
    But no one from that ,takes an implicit persmission to shoot at them.. it is their right to wear both....And whats good for the goose is good for the gander.
     
  7. danf_fl

    danf_fl Retired Supporter

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    Bluez, remember that the police can be issued a firearm that can go full-auto that was produced after 1986. You can't.
     
  8. DrumJunkie

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    THer are several DIY vids about LED lights mounted to ball caps that really mess with many security cameras. Especially IR cams. Beats looking like one of those BG targets LEO use.
     
  9. MisterMcCool

    MisterMcCool Well-Known Member Supporter

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    It is illegal to alter the serial number of a firearm. Temporarily covering it does not alter the serial number.
     
  10. bluez

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    The NFA of 1934 is unconstitutional and wa sonly possible due to the unprecendented dominance of the executive branch at the time.

    There is nothing police and military are issued that is unconstitutional for us ot have.
    remember the revolutionary war was fought to great extent with privately owned cannon.

    To follow the intent of the founderd and for us to be a true counterwieght to possible foreign invaders or domestic enemies we need the freedom to operate RPG 29's, MANPADS, SAWs etc
     
  11. 70cuda383

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    I don't care if it's legal or not.

    If I was going to a gun rights rally, I would NOT give the media a photo op by showing up looking like a rapist.

    If I was worried about facial recog software, I would wear a baseball cap, pulled low, large sunglasses, and maybe fake facial hair.

    There are other ways to disguise your looks besides donning the ski mask and looking like a terrorist.
     
  12. bluez

    bluez Well-Known Member

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    Cuda, As discussed in the very first post I think we all agree now is not the time.
     
  13. boatme98

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    If you're at a pro 2nd rally, why would you cover your face? It only gives antis one more thing to whine about..."..they're afraid to be seen, they must be hiding something...".

    No thanks. If you're going to stand up, do it proudly!
     
  14. JimRau

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    If you are not willing to let your ID be known just stay at home!!! Like I said we must 'live' our commitment, so if you are ashamed/afraid just let those who are not do the job for you!!!:(
     
  15. GrtWhytHype

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    This is in no way conspiracy theory banter. Just want to clarify that.

    Facial recognition software has seriously advanced much more than the average person is aware of. Did you know that your ears are just as unique as your fingertips?

    Vegas, which is one of the major proprietors of Facial rec software, followed by government agencies, and large software companies, are all constantly trying to upgrade their systems. That's a LOT of money that's put into these systems.

    I'm pretty sure you'd be hard pressed to beat them. Anything you might do would be more for your comfort. Probably not all that effective though.
     
  16. bluez

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    Grt:

    theys till ahve alot of limitations though. denying them a complete view of the face really helps.
    Perhaps sunglasses are sufficent
     
  17. In Georgia, it is illegal to wear a mask or device that conceals one's identity (exceptions for safety and holiday wear) OCGA 16-11-38. Note that it does not mention the application of what may be termed makeup, facial, or camouflage cream.

    That makes defeating facial recognition software with this, quite legal.
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    * red boxes indicate positive response to facial recognition software
     
  18. winds-of-change

    winds-of-change The Balota's Staff Member

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    I think I'm missing something. If you open carry all the time, then you're face is always there to be associated with carrying a gun. If you were being 'watched' info on you would already be out there.
     
  19. bluez

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    The amount of time an agency has to spend monitoring internet use is prohibitive in man hours.
    While theoretically it might be possible but the numbers of employees are simply not there, they cna collect the date but ahuman bieng has to read and interpret them the 3 letter agencies simply do not have the number of analysts it takes to track a multi million strong domestic oppostion.


    Think about how many millions of americans are oin the internet right now making statements just like we do?

    For this reason they simple cannot monitor forums like this one effectively.

    But right now we are only in phase 1.

    phase 1 is increasingly heated rhetoric and polarization kida like in Bosnia in the 80's over the backdrop of economic problems.

    As things prgress, it will change.

    So when you are lookign for dissdents who will demosntrate despite the threat of arrest or despite the previous demonstration having been broken up by violence by the "authorities" it becomes very different.

    Because then they get to focus on a core element of a possible resiuatnce.
    And then the pay off to those manhours is sufficient to justify them.

    As I intend not to be intimidated when demonstrating becomes more dangerous I want to think ahead to the moment when it IS worth their while.

    And that moment will be when we are nearing the end of the phase of mass demonstrations ( which we havent even entered yet) when they are being broken up by violence.
     
  20. bluez

    bluez Well-Known Member

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    Great post.
    This is worth a sticky.
     
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