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Discussion in 'AR-15 Discussion' started by bogcjg, May 30, 2011.

  1. Car54

    Car54 New Member

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    This is an entry model that attracts those who want an AR but can't or won't pay more money for the more expensive units. S&W out front describes this model substituting different materials or parts that are used in their other models thus keeping the price down.

    Some things like a forward assist and ejection port cover aren't included, and I believe the metal in the barrel is different, or they install a different barrel than what comes with the standard units.
     
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  2. mjkeat

    mjkeat New Member

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    If youre going to put a few hundred more into higher end S&W you might as well step up to a higher end manufacturer. In todays market you can get all the AR you need in the $800 range.
     
  3. bogcjg

    bogcjg New Member

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    oj thank

    i was wondering so if i had plans to buy this and add to it already it would be better to get a gun that has more pf what i am looking for on itt
     
  4. diggsbakes

    diggsbakes New Member

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    You're not too far away from me and there is quite a surplus of ARs in our area.

    Like Mj said you can get a decent gun for $800 (don't know about all you need, that depends) and if you're willing to spend a few hundred more, then you're in high cotton !

    Let me explain why there are better choices in the current AR market. Smith and Wesson is a great firearms manufacturer. One of the best. However, their specialty is handguns, mainly revolvers (some nice 1911s) always has been and (hopefully) always will be.

    Their entry into the tactical market (shotguns, pistols and ARs) required them to compete in a market that was already full. They targeted the LE market, so their prices had to be competitive with Bushmaster, DPMS, Colt and Armalite (the later 2 being on the high end of options) as the contracts typically go to the lowest (or lower) bidder. So an amount of quality had to be sacrificed in order to compete.

    In addition most of the best options for civilian ARs today ONLY do ARs. They are VERY good at what they do. That is why you can get a higher quality rifle for less $$$ from places such as Spikes, BCM or Del-Ton.

    As with every new to AR shooter I say BUILD Y!OUR OWN!! You will learn about your gun and have the ability to fix it yourself.
     
  5. bogcjg

    bogcjg New Member

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    ok

    what would be a good platform to start at then for building my own ar-15 i cant realy go over 900 but that was why i was looking at the SW so i could have the money to build it up
     
  6. Dillinger

    Dillinger New Member

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    Difficult to say if it's worth it or not as the link is to a back order rifle with no price. :confused:

    The weapon itself isn't bad, but there are several things I would change right out of the gate to it if it hit my hands.

    IF you could get it for a good price, say the $500 range, it might be worth it for an entry level gun if you are new to the AR realm.

    As a one stop, SHTF, End of Days, I am betting my life on this rifle? Not so much. It needs some components replaced in my limited experience and opinion.

    However if you take a look around the forum, you will see some folks who came here with the same thinking in mind, and after asking a few questions, decided to build their own rifles and were much happier with the results.

    If you have any questions, these folks here are more than ready to help you make good decisions, regardless of the size of your wallet.

    JD
     
  7. bogcjg

    bogcjg New Member

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    sorry the [rice they want is

    585.00$ and this would be my first AR
     
  8. Dillinger

    Dillinger New Member

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    Is it local to you, or do you need to pay for shipping, tax and a dealer transfer??
     
  9. bogcjg

    bogcjg New Member

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    i would have to ship to my lovation

    i probaly will not buy it from there just want to new what would be a good price platform to start building my own gun

    or would this be better Ruger Mini-14 Semi Automatic .223 Remington 16.12" Barrel 20 Rounds Black Synthetic Collapsible ATI Stock
    685 plush shipping AND FEES

    [​IMG]
     
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  10. Dillinger

    Dillinger New Member

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    If you want to build your own, I would choose a different receiver set (upper & lower) to start with instead of buying a name brand "gun" with inferior parts.
     
  11. diggsbakes

    diggsbakes New Member

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    Yes, you can ask for a list of makers that offer quality sets, someone will ablige you.

    If you're going back and forth between an AR and a Mini-14, then you need to make up your mind. Mini-14s are good "fun" guns or "plinkers". However, they will never be (even close to) the versatile battle rifle that the AR-15 is.

    The Mini-14 is great, but the AR-15 will be everything the Mini is and MUCH MORE. :)
     
  12. bogcjg

    bogcjg New Member

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    ok thanx

    i have heard the mini was more realable

    and i would love a list of ar sets i found two by dpms

    DPMS AP4 AR-15 Unassembled Carbine Kit 5.56x45mm NATO 16" Barrel with AP4 Upper Assembly, Collapsible Stock Assembly, Lower Receiver Parts Kit Pre-Ban=599$

    and
    DPMS Oracle AR-15 Unassembled Carbine Kit 5.56x45mm NATO 16" Barrel with Oracle Upper Assembly, Collapsible Stock Assembly, Lower Receiver Parts Kit Pre-Ban=539$
     
  13. Car54

    Car54 New Member

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    sawtac.com has a 16" LMT upper assembly, minus a BCG, a charge handle, and foregrips regular $485 on sale to $412 BUT if you buy today and use the code MD2011, it will knock the price down to $339.50 plus $7 to ship. That's $140 + dollars off retail.

    Then you can get what ever parts you want, and you can buy complete lowers from Aim Surplus for as low as $180, or you can piece things out to fit your tastes and wallet.

    Also look at del-ton.com for their rifle kits if you want to go that way.
     
  14. bogcjg

    bogcjg New Member

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    i think i am leaning towards

    the delton i like how i can add better quality items to there kit or have them take out the item compelty if they do not have the one i want
     
  15. Dillinger

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    Del-Ton is a good company, especially for a first rifle. Their on-line pick and choose building program is very good, but their selection is a bit lacking in my opinion.

    However their pricing is good and you are getting good quality for your money. With a little bit of knowledge, you can build a good to very good rifle from their site and you have the benefit of them assembling it for you.

    Quite a few folks have bought their first rifle from them and as far as we have heard, very few have run into problems with their finished product or problems with customer service.

    Good luck.

    JD
     
  16. Quentin

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    Wow, that's quite a deal on the LMT upper Car54! Sawtac is my go to guy here in Boise and I'm tempted to drive the 5 miles right now and buy that upper! :D

    Noooo... I .... don't .... neeeeeeddddd.... another AR! :p
     
  17. bogcjg

    bogcjg New Member

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  18. mjkeat

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    I haven't heard real good things about the DelTon dissipater. They use a rifle length gas system on a 16" barrel which doesn't leave a whole lot of room from gas port to muzzle opening. From what I understand this has caused dependability issues. You might want to research this a little further.

    If you want a Dissy go midlength GP w/ the FSB at the rifle position.
     
  19. bogcjg

    bogcjg New Member

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    so

    so what would be a good kit to learn with i dont whant to buy each part seprate cause i dont know all the parts.

    i realy want somthing to just learn with