Will a laser sight help with acuraccy or are they just tacticool?

Discussion in 'Glock Forum' started by Abc1911, Sep 5, 2012.

  1. Abc1911

    Abc1911 New Member

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    Thinking about putting a laser sight on my glock to help me get tighter groups at the range will a laser sight help?
     
  2. mountainman13

    mountainman13 New Member

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    Yep. They are good for training with your trigger control and make it possible to shoot accurately from any position such as from the hip.
     

  3. yogiboobooranger

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    Some people do not like them. Me, I do like them, especially when your heart is racing, you are breathing heavily, arms are shaking and your hands are a quiver. That is what will happen to you when you get involved in a confrontation which may escalate into the use of deadly force. You will not be able to concentrate on your sights and the red or green dot will help to indicate the location of where your gun is pointing. Just for grins and giggles, take your empty gun, holster it, then go run a quarter mile as fast as you can, then do a few pushups, and then run back. Now unholster your weapon and try to aim at a target 10 feet in front of you..watch yours sights, and see what the heart rate and breathing does to your steadiness. If you are like most normal people, you will not be able to get a good sight picture, and your target will absolutely refuse to hold still. At least with the red dot, you would be able to see where you are aiming the gun. I know there are some that will say the laser is useless in a lot of cases. But if that were the case, why do swat teams and other agencies use them? And it is a little bit intimidating to have a red dot planted on your chest!!! Get the picture????
     
  4. Chainfire

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    My own opinion is this; work on the basics and don't worry about the gimmics. Spend the money on ammo instead.

    The biggest help I see, using a lazer, would be dry-firing in you living room and working on keeping the spot still. I have used one like that, but it was a cheap bore-sighter type laser, and it did help.
     
  5. GunRunner

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    Crimson Trace has some great videos that show you the benifits of a laser in real world situations. They may make even chainfire a believer........
     
  6. Wiseman3

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    lasers can help with fast target acquisition. can also help show trigger pull issues and shaky hands. but should be used to augment your sight picture because they do fail and if it does it shouldn't be relied on enough to cause you pause. also with that in mind you have more failure drills you have to perform for the likelyhood of laser failure
     
  7. SSGN_Doc

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    keep in mind as well, that a laser shoots a straight line and bullets travel in an arc so you can only be "spot on" where the bullet crosses the path of the laser. Other than at that distance you will only be close.

    Others already shared about how it can show how steady or unsteady you are through trigger pull.
     
  8. utf59

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    A laser sight is a great tool, but it's no substitute for marksmanship. The best wrenches are all well and good, but if you aren't a mechanic, your car will still be broken.

    Lasers are great for low-light environments when you can't see your sights (well). They are also great if there's an occasion in which you have to shoot from an unusual position and can't get a sight alignment (think police officer shooting from behind a riot shield).

    The biggest failure with lasers is in some of the people who buy them and get a false sense of security — those who think that the laser will cure whatever is wrong with their shooting and do the aiming for them. I've watched people at the range with their laser on the bullseye and I've seen the laser jump off target just before their gun goes off because they're flinching just like they were before they bought the laser.

    You'll want to be proficient with your gun without the laser first. Again, it's a good tool, but it shouldn't be your only tool. If it's near dark and your muzzle isn't on the bad guy, you might see your laser dot on the wall off to one side and be able to adjust. But if that happens outdoors and there's nothing behind the bad guy for 20 or 30 feet, your laser will simply disappear — you'll have no idea where your gun is pointing, only that it isn't pointing at your target.

    Either *you* shoot well or *you* shoot poorly. A laser sight just gives you a way to shoot under some adverse circumstances.
     
  9. Gh0zt36

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    Im sure they do , BUT just for myself. When I train at the range I like to practice instinctive shooting. Thats quick draw and bang no sight aquisition or need to switch on a laser . Plus I think a laser can almost hinder your natural ability because you almost become dependant on seeing that dot to make a confident shot.


    Try instinctive shooting just for kicks. No one says you have to stick with it. It's not for some people.

    But I can tell you I've drastically improved my shot from multiple positions without the aid of any sight or laser
     
  10. sweeper22

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    Lasers can have tremendous value, as has already been mentioned in this thread. They're good for practice. And if you carry a lasered weapon, you should certainly practice point shooting, hip shooting, etc...using the laser.

    But working within your slide-mounted sight picture should always be your 'bread and butter'. In other words, don't allow that little red dot to become your crutch.

    And laser or not, anyone who carries would be best served practicing a bit of 'point-shooting' at the range. Most shooters will find it comes pretty natural from the first time they try it.
     
  11. Abc1911

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    I agree I dont want to have to rely on anything id rather be self sufficent
     
  12. big shrek

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    I was that way, but I definitely have come to appreciate lasers for close-quarters...especially green lasers which are good for day or night...

    Think about climbing into your attic...wriggling around the rafters...trying to nail a pesky family of squirrels that's moved in...
    or racoons...or possums...or rats...or whatever critter is at hand...

    Now if you've got a pistol with a lazer, you are SO far ahead of the game it ain't funny...
    even more fun, you can get them to "attack the dot" like cats do...then put it on 'em and pop 'em!!

    So you spend a few hours clearing your attic, and you figure out that a laser is good for a whole lot of other situations!!!

    Is it a substitute for the 25+ years of using a pistol the Old Fashioned Way?? Heck naw!!
    But its a very nice tool to add to the inventory :D
     
  13. Rick1967

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    My wife was having trouble aiming her J-frame. I am dead on with mine. She still has trouble with the sights. Not sure why. She shoots other guns fine. I put a laser on that J-Frame. Totally different story! She can hit pretty consistantly with it now.
     
  14. Eturnsdale

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    As has been said, they can help tremendously, but,,,, Let me recount an experience from a friend of mine who was a cop in NY for most of his adult life.

    Years ago we were talking about lasers and he told me about how a few years before that his department was having an issue with getting their officers qualified on the range. So someone had the bright idea of issuing everyone laser sights. Low and behold, more of the officers that had been going unqualified qualified. Imagine that.

    A few years went by and they decided that the lasers were no longer in the budget, so they had to get rid of them. This is where the officers ran into troubles. It seems that even fewer than before actually qualified. Even the officers that normally qualified were having a hard time shooting. They'd became completely dependent on their lasers.

    I am not saying don't get one. But I am saying dont get one for the purpose of making yourself more accurate. Get the basics down, become proficient with your carry piece, get to where you can consistently put lead on target when your body is stressed from the holster under decent light from the concealed holster without it. Teach yourself how to point shoot in low light, and all that good stuff. Then once you are consistent get the laser and use it sparingly.

    Murphy is lurking in the shaddows. If you become dependent on that laser in practice, and something happens where it don't work when it needs to, you may find yourself up a smelly brown creek without a paddle.
     
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  15. CHLChris

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    A laser is useful for the moment of high-stress self defense. It is not a tool for better range accuracy.

    It is very difficult with normal (meaning small) amounts of training to reliably look at the front sight or your sights at all in a critical situation. A laser works with your natural instinct to look at the threat (and find the red dot).
     
  16. bigrock44

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    I don't have any lasers on any of the fire arms that I own. I would rather rely on my normal gun sights in a situation. I would have to agree that lasers do make training on trigger control and target acquisition a lot easier.
     
  17. kodiak

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    Are you serious with this analogy? You're going to discharge a firearm in your attic to clear critters?
     
  18. Overkill0084

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    The great thing about lasers is that everyone around you can see your shake and/or flinch. Good fun.
    I'm no expert, but I believe that one should have a good handle on the basics of shooting before adding the cool toys. YMMV.
     
  19. GunRunner

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    I was at the range one day and there was a guy two lanes over shoot with a laser on something. Now this would not have peeked my curiosity except for the fact he looked like he was put a laser light show on the target. He was so jumpy and shakey that I felt uncomfortable shooting that I had to observe him. I went over to his lane and asked if everything was alright and he said yes so I asked why are your hands shaking so bad, I actually thought he might have been tweaking on something but he said he could help it, it was like the harder he tried not to shake, the more he would. Eventually he left due to frustration. The moral or the story if you can't shoot you can't shoot, a laser will help you shoot better and is an excellent training tool. You still need a steady hand andsmooth trigger pull. Without those a laser will get you closer or at least show you why your shots are not on paper.
     
  20. Eturnsdale

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    I have before, with ratshot from a .38.