Wildcats that should become mainstream

Discussion in 'Ammunition & Reloading' started by texaswoodworker, May 2, 2012.

  1. texaswoodworker

    texaswoodworker New Member

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    I have always been interested by wildcats. The fact that you have to make your own ammo for them is cool. They are also great conversation pieces. A lot of them are really good rounds, and others are duds. So what wildcat cartridge do you think would be successful if they went mainstream, and ammo and guns for them began being mass produced??
     
  2. Axxe55

    Axxe55 The Apocalypse Is Coming.....

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    one wildcat that i wish to be made into factory chambered rifle is the 6.5mm-06. excellent ballistics, excellent caliber and should be very recoil friendly. it would probably work great in a bolt action with target syle barrel, fine looking walnut stock and an adjustable trigger. as of now, no ammo makers offer factory ammo for this round and all rifles chambered in it are custom built rifles. RCBS and Hornady are the only two companies i know of at this time to offer reloading dies for this caliber. the ballistics on the 6.5mm-06 are even slightly better than the 6.5-284 that is a favorite of the long range shooters.
     

  3. Model70

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    I read an article years ago were some fellow in Minnesota or Wisconsin or some other cold place necked down a 35 Whelen to a 30 cal. Called it the 30 Whelen. Serious as a heart attack. But I thought I heard of some one else making a cartridge like that once, I think it was the government. 30 cal model of 1906 I think...

    Axxe, I've always thought the 6.5-06 would be a neat round too.

    Maybe something in a .29 caliber. Think about it! There is a 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, skips 29, 30, 31, 32, ,33, 34, 35, 36, 37...
     
  4. Durangokid

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    Mdl. 70, Yep the .290 [7.3] caliber was a standard Ctg. The .280 Ross Rifle made by Lancaster Bros. of London was a very popular round. This rifle fired a .288 FMJ 140 gr. at 2,900 FPS. These were other bullets in the .289 and .290 range for these rifles. The .280 Ross is still around. I have seen a few of these in use here in Wyoming. The Ross Rifle was very interesting and was the issue of Canadian Troops for many years. So there is your .29 Cal.:)
     
  5. texaswoodworker

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    @axxe- I've never shot, or even seen a 6.5mm-06. It sounds like a cartridge I would enjoy though.

    @m70- A 30 Whelen? I think I have one of those. I can even go pick up some ammo at Walmart for it pretty easy. :D If you want a .29 caliber rifle, how about necking down a 300 win mag? I'd call it a .29/300 Magnum. :eek:

    @durango- that sounds cool. How do they shoot?
     
  6. Model70

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    Never heard of that. Sounds cool. 8)
     
  7. Axxe55

    Axxe55 The Apocalypse Is Coming.....

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    Mod70, the 6.5mm-06 has some awesome ballistics. they just aren't really mainstream and only one of my load data books even lists load data for it.

    Aaron, the 6.5mm-06 is just a 30-06 necked down to a 6.5mm bullet or a .264 diameter. listed as one of the true wildcats and doesn't even have any SAAMI specs. (load at your own risk!) this is the one i am going to use for my custom rifle build when i can get back to it. Jared and i have been discussing it over the last few weeks.

    Durango, that 280 Ross sounds interesting. seems like i maybe read something about it years ago in a book. might have to do a little research on that one.
     
  8. Axxe55

    Axxe55 The Apocalypse Is Coming.....

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    thanks for the link Durango. i did some minor research on the 280 Ross. pretty interesting reading.
     
  9. locutus

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    The .26-06 is a .30-06 necked down to .257.

    The 6.5-06 would be the same case necked to .264. .007 difference in diameter. Hardly worthwhile, IMHO.
     
  10. Axxe55

    Axxe55 The Apocalypse Is Coming.....

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    for some reason due to ballistics and bullet coiefiency, that .007 difference in diameter makes a big difference. i don't understand all the physics and mathematical formulas why, but it does for some reason. also alot of the benchrest target shooters use either the 6.5-06 or the 6.5-284 for shooting at 600-1000 yards and get very small groups with them. don't get me wrong, i'm not knocking the 25-06, because i have one and has been one of my favorites for many years, but the 6.5-06 just seems like the 25-06 on steroids! plus i wanted something somewhat unique and not something readily available without going the custom rifle build. i can go just about anywhere in the United States and buy a 25-06.
     
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  11. Model70

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    I think a big part of the difference is you can get .264 bullets up to 140 grain, giving you ultra high BC's and sectional densities.
     
  12. texaswoodworker

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    I've never heard of .26-06. Whats the difference in it and 25-06 other than the bullet diameter?
     
  13. Axxe55

    Axxe55 The Apocalypse Is Coming.....

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    probably a typo. i think he meant 25-06. because i never heard o a 26-06.:eek:
     
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    "...264 diameter. listed as one of the true wildcats and doesn't even have any SAAMI specs."

    No wildcat has SAAMI specs, that's sorta the meaning of a wildcat. But its pressure would be the same as other modern cartridges with the same head size.
     
  15. Trez

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    Screw the wildcats... Theres plenty of old cartridges I wish would go mainstream!
     
  16. jpattersonnh

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    .284 or 7mm has been done. 7mm Rem Mag.
     
  17. jpattersonnh

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    ;);)
    6.5x06.;)
     
  18. Axxe55

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    both the 338-06 and the 8mm-06 are wildcats that have SAAMI specs. now there are three ammo makers, A-Square, Nosler and Hornady that make ammo for the 338-06 and i don't think anyone makes factory ammo for the 8mm-06, but there aren't any factory chambered rifles in these two calibers, so are they wildcats or not?
     
  19. Model70

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    Another cool 6.5 is the 6.5 shooting times westerner.

    Just something about that darn 6.5...