Wikileaks!

Discussion in 'Legal and Activism' started by Bigcountry02, Dec 8, 2010.

  1. Bigcountry02

    Bigcountry02 Coffee! If your not shaking, you need another cup Supporter

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    More discussion in the active than political area for posting!

    Is it just me; but, this Wikileaks and now DoS Revenge attacks that are happening with Mastercard, Visa and Paypal to name a few. Also, comments from Wikileaks to stop this you will have to shutdown the net.

    This is turning into a cyber war and just how ugly it can get?
     
  2. DrumJunkie

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    Never underestimate the anger and pride of some kids with a nice Linux box and way too much free time. If it gets any more wide spread then you will see and influx in DDOS attacks on any side the little clubs see fit. I remember the RIAA and MPAA sites getting hammered during the end of the free Napster days. It wont be able any political or ideological things anymore. There are groups out there that just like to mess with the big boys. I remember seeing a link to download WinMX on the RIAA site back then. The irony made it pretty funny even if you don't agree with the peer net philosophy. It's really not all that uncommon though. There are tons of drone machines out there and anyone with a port sweeper and the proper software and take them and do what they will with them. All the more reason to make sure you take thew steps to keep your machine critter free. A good anti spyware program and anti virus. And watch the porn sites :rolleyes: They are notorious for dropping little gifts on unsuspecting computers.
     
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  3. doctherock

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    The U.S.A. shouldn't have embarrassing sh!t like this floating around out there on the web. Time to bring back the couriers.
     
  4. Bigcountry02

    Bigcountry02 Coffee! If your not shaking, you need another cup Supporter

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    The government needs to stop the so-called USB sticks and the burners usage on classified computers.
     
  5. doctherock

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    I agree, hard to keep it classified if you can just plug a damn thumb drive into it.
     
  6. dunerunner

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    You've got that right! And we need to treat Treason as Treason, Espionage as Espionage, hunt them down and deal with them!!
     
  7. doctherock

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    Hang em high on the white house lawn.
     
  8. dog2000tj

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    Should be easy enough to find them as they are mostly congregated into a few places,

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  9. freefall

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    I think somebody (cia) should shoot that Assangel dude right up the nose. And hang that Private Manning that gave him the hot spit.
     
  10. AcidFlashGordon

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    Many secure system users have already halted that practice. I work in a T.S. area and we are not allowed to bring ANY kind of recordable media to work. No thumb drives or anything like them. No CDs of any kind. No cameras or cell phones. This has been in effect for all the years I've worked there. In fact, the computer geeks have disabled all the USB ports on all system computers.
     
  11. Mack Bolan

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    usb stick is also suspected method for dropping that stuxnet bug into irans centrifuge control systems...

    interested to see how this plays out with wikileaks and the hackers....

    wouldnt mind of they expose some bank of america fraud we probably dont know about...
     
  12. camiller

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    Couple thoughts, in no particular order. Please excuse the rambling nature of this post:

    As far as USB drives, etc. just after 9/11 the government was criticized for not sharing intelligence between various internal organizations so they remedied that by distributing this kind of stuff to more locations but really didn't assure proper controls were in place.

    Manning: while known to be responsible for the afgan/iraq document leak I haven't seen any credible information suggesting he had anything to do with the leak of diplomatic cables.

    While the various news agencies have made a big deal about the quarter million cables, only 1203 have actually been released to the public. Assange seems to be working with some of the larger news agencies to select which documents to release and to redact the material. It was pointed out that with the Iraq leaks that wikileaks redacted more material than the pentagon when the same document was release under a FOIA request. (source: CNN)

    The age of some of these cables go back to 1966. I'm not sure of the proportion of more current versus old stuff but I'm thinking the older it is the less sensitive it is likely to be currently.

    Bear in mind that the bulk of these cables are "unclassified" or "confidential" with only 15,652 being "secret", no "top secret" or higher material.

    # 15,652 secret
    # 101,748 confidential
    # 133,887 unclassified

    Scott Shane, a national security reporter for the New York Times, probably says it better than me:
    Source: The World Today - NY Times defends decision to publish 29/11/2010

    The Economist also has an interesting take and quote Scott Shane as well.

    And finally from the department of Irony
    Again I apologize for the rambling stream of consciousness nature of that.
     
  13. hogrider

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    Wikileaks

    Okay, I'll be the one to ask a dumb question. Are the Wikileaks a leak or a theft? And is there a difference? Sorry.....I just feel real dumb all of a sudden.
     
  14. camiller

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    Well, someone illegally copied a crapload of documents and gave them to wikileaks/Assange. While you could argue that wikileaks/Assange is in possession, I seriously doubt that Assange snuck in and "stole" them himself.

    I sometime ask myself this: If someone had given them to a well respected mainstream journalist instead, would our opinions of their eventual publication be different?

    (there is also a technical argument about the definition of "theft". Usually for it to be theft you are depriving the owner of the item of it's use. This gets really blurry in the information age when you can easily copy stuff. If the material were copyrightable it would be a violation of copyright, but Title 17 Chapter 1 Section 105 states in part "Copyright protection under this title is not available for any work of the United States Government.")
     
  15. hogrider

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    Camiller reply

    Thanks. That's the most straight forward answer i've heard or seen.
     
  16. kusterleXD

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    There is also the issue of Assange accepting property that he knew to be stolen. That is also a crime. Additionally, I'm surprised at how many people are backing this clown who and no one is making a big deal that he is a suspected rapist! I have no respect for anyone who is so lame that they would have to force themself on a defenseless person and permanently scar that person for the rest of their life. Assange is a real piece of work!!!
     
  17. cpttango30

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    Really do you ever know what the hell you are talking about?

    If a terminal is set up to process classified top secret material then it is in a locked room and it is not i repeat NOT hooked into a network of any kind. Many of them are guarded and you are check as you enter and leave.

    Did you know that by the time you roll out of bed in the morning the Pentagon IT department has thwarted something like 500,000 attacks on its network. That is just the pentagon too that is not the Hoover building or any of the other thousand or so buildings in DC. Hell I used to watch a show called The screen Savers. They had a White hat (White hats are good hackers) drive around DC and he found 50+ unsecured wireless networks just outside of the hoover building. All's it takes is for one idiot IT wannabe to bring in his home wifi router on the 3rd floor so he can play WOW or some such stupid crap. If someone does that you have a gaping hole in your network security.

    If you have an employee that likes to surf porn sites at work or other not so up and up sites they can offer major holes into the network. You would be amazed at what can get through a network.

    Just like if your business is running WEP wifi encryption that is no more security that if the computer was plugged into a rj-45. With the right software and a little know how you just got hacked. Maybe a janitor is getting laid off or fired it is nothing to walk by a computer and stuff a keylogger in the back of a PC and gather every single thing someone types on a keyboard. With a keylogger you would be amazed at everything that you type in one day.

    USB Keylogger - Keyboard Recorder

    Shoot you don't even need a physical device keyloggers can be downloaded from the net for free. then you just email it to someone. If they don't have current and up to date AV software nothing will stop it. Many software ones will then compile the data and send it to the person that had the program.

    What happens when one of these government employees gets a laptop stolen? They don't steal it for the price they steal it for the information on it.
     
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  18. doctherock

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    Holy sh!t Tangster, take a deep breath in and let it out. Lol
     
  19. camiller

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    That gets into the technical definition of "stolen" which I already discussed.

    As far as the rape charges, my understanding is that the sex was consensual.
    I have no problem with Sweden executing their laws as they see fit, but I'm not sure what he did would even be called rape in the US and it certainly doesn't appear based on the comments of the two women that he forced himself on them.
     
  20. orangello

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    I am not pleased with any of the parties in this mess. I am not pleased that a member of our military actively went against his orders and may have put some Americans in danger. I'm not pleased that Wikileaks put this stuff out there without prioritizing and organizing it to avoid putting people at risk of losing their lives or safety. The party i am probably MOST displeased with is the U.S. government for 1) doing/saying stupid things that could endanger the safety of U.S. assets in the first place 2) recording that they did such things for posterity 3) twisting the arm of a foreign government to arrest someone for something absolutely unrelated to the issue/action the U.S. government is really pursuing that person for (not to mention this crime was not on U.S. soil or U.S. citizens, nor has weirdo even been charged last i heard).

    I have noticed fewer calls for transparency of late. I was really getting tired of hearing politicos call for something they should fear so utterly; that was intellectually insulting. "Transparency" of a fat, disease-ridden whore's syphlitic innards would probably be tolerable than true "transparency" of "our" government's inner workings.