why we need anonymity of residence

Discussion in 'Legal and Activism' started by prof-milton-fireballs, Mar 29, 2011.

  1. prof-milton-fireballs

    prof-milton-fireballs New Member

    40
    0
    0
    This article on the British newspaper The Guardian says that Gaddafi agents were seeking rebel sympathizers in their homes.
    ****
    Muammar Gaddafi's opposition: How Libya's revolt has stalled | World news | The Observer

    Article Title: Muammar Gaddafi's opposition: How Libya's revolt has stalled

    "Earlier, the Libyan leader's forces had fired high-explosive rounds in central streets and dragged people from their homes. There were reports of many casualties among civilians, rebels and soldiers."
    ***
    Gaddafi agents could have only have known where opposition sympathizers lived if the information was recorded somewhere. A repressive government can only harass citizens for their political ideas like this if the government knows their residence addresses. In the last few years it has been impossible to pick up and deliver private courier packages without giving a residence address, and rights regarding P.O. Boxes have been restricted. In other words, you have to tell the government your residence address where you live in order to ship.

    This is why anonymity of residence address should be a right not a privilege. what happened in Libya (and Russia and Germany and ...) and many other countries can't happen here? Don't bet on it.
     
    Last edited: Mar 30, 2011
  2. orangello

    orangello New Member

    19,156
    0
    0
    They could try it here, but i don't think the jackboots would like their reception. :)
     

  3. alsaqr

    alsaqr Well-Known Member Supporter

    6,196
    250
    83

    Quoted for truth. It can and sometimes does happen here. Recently a federal appeals court ruled that a WV sheriff illegally conducted a no knock on a home in WV. The sheriff's reason for the no knock raid; the man and his wife were CCW holders.


    http://isysweb.ca4.uscourts.gov/isy...1a6d82d-df47-4f17-8445-91e1f4545871/1/hilite/
     
    Last edited: Mar 29, 2011
  4. bkt

    bkt New Member

    6,964
    0
    0
    Are these people still employed in law enforcement?
     
  5. culdee

    culdee New Member

    293
    0
    0
    anonymity

    Can anyone tell me why you have to show identification now to rent a hotel room? They suggest it is to ensure the credit card is not stolen. I suspect it is for other reasons but then I am getting paranoid about giving my information to eveery tom. dick and harry.
     
  6. alsaqr

    alsaqr Well-Known Member Supporter

    6,196
    250
    83
    They are still there unless they have retired since the incident took place. Cops are almost never fired for violating the rights of US citizens.
     
  7. Daoust_Nat

    Daoust_Nat Well-Known Member Supporter

    3,435
    109
    63
    Sadly, due to organization and chain of command, the jackboots would probably be successful here. At least initially. That is why criminals are generally unsuccessful. You would like to think that after a time a resistance would organize, and chain of command would result from that. Individual resistance might be personally satisfying, but it would have to organize to be effective.

    I would like to think here that the resistance would prove effective in the long run, or at the very least raise the body count among the jackboots.
     
  8. prof-milton-fireballs

    prof-milton-fireballs New Member

    40
    0
    0
    Yes, organization makes one stronger because it allows coordinated operations. This is what Gaddafi agents were trying to crush, the civilian support system of the rebellion that can act as a communication and underground supply line.

    This is why keeping as much citizen information anonymous as possible is desirable.

    The government will never take privacy away openly. They will do it in little ways, like telling the PO you have to give a residence address to get a PO Box, and telling Fedex, etc., that the residence address is necessary to pick up or deliver a package.

    To get back our freedom we need to go back to each one of these points and untie the knots. Or set up alternative systems.
     
  9. bkt

    bkt New Member

    6,964
    0
    0
    Yeah, I've noticed that. Neither are ATF, FBI or others. :mad:
     
  10. orangello

    orangello New Member

    19,156
    0
    0
    But how many get canned for mistreating the poor poor illegals, ridiculous.
     
  11. prof-milton-fireballs

    prof-milton-fireballs New Member

    40
    0
    0
    That is because violating citizen rights is in the interests of the government. It gives them information they record and use even if they cannot use it in court.
     
  12. IGETEVEN

    IGETEVEN New Member

    8,358
    4
    0
    So does posting opinions, information and pictures on this forum and any other. ;)

    [​IMG]
     
  13. Daoust_Nat

    Daoust_Nat Well-Known Member Supporter

    3,435
    109
    63
    With the local Gendarmes here in Central Florida you always upset them at a traffic stop when they ask, "Where are you coming from?" You point one way and say; "From that way." They then ask; you point the other way, and say; "that way."

    I figure that is information from me that they do not need for any number of reasons.
     
  14. Vikingdad

    Vikingdad New Member

    14,922
    0
    0
    "Recently a federal appeals court ruled that a WV sheriff illegally conducted a no knock on a home in WV. The sheriff's reason for the no knock raid; the man and his wife were CCW holders."

    I would think that a smart Sheriff would not kick the door down on a house where the owners were CCW permit holders because in order to hold a permit you have to be proven not to be a convicted felon, so presumably the CCW permit holders would not be Bad Guys. And the cops are very likely to be shot when kicking in a door unannounced (is there any other way to do it?)

    If the homeowner had fired upon the cops, they would have been gunned down in cold blood. IMHO.
     
  15. Vikingdad

    Vikingdad New Member

    14,922
    0
    0
    I have answered that question with "Nowhere important. What's the problem?" It is non-confrontational and seems to diffuse the situation.

    A friend of mine was once asked by a cop "Do you have any drugs or guns in your car?" (he did have a loaded pistol in his briefcase) and he stupidly shot back "Why? Are you out?" (true story) He spent about three hours sitting in the back of the police car as they went through his car.

    Don't be a smart ***. Nobody likes a smart ***. The cops don't like that and they trust you about as much as you trust them.
     
  16. pandamonium

    pandamonium New Member

    1,601
    0
    0
    I AINT SCARED!!:eek:
     
  17. skullcrusher

    skullcrusher New Member

    10,888
    1
    0
    I worked in the hospitality industry for a few years back in the early 90's. ID was required for all credit cards then. This was a higher end chain and required for all non-members. Members had to produce credit card and membership card (membership = rewards card) and that was all. The main reason is to make sure you are who you say you are and the card is not stolen. Defrauding an Inn Keeper is a felony. Thank the people for asking for ID as if someone got ahold of your credit card and rented at the Four Seasons, you would ask them why they did not ask for ID.

    What's the big deal of showing a photo ID? Are they photocopying your ID or do you think the employees have a photographic memory and are required by some gubmit agency to record your whereabouts?

    If you are that paranoid, then stay home. Just a suggestion.

    I forgot to tell you that all ID's I asked for were scanned and sent to the CIA, FBI, NSA, and the one lettered agency that cannot be spoken. :rolleyes:

    If you want to be anonymous on the road, go to the no-tell motels and pay cash by the hour.

    There, I told you.
     
  18. prof-milton-fireballs

    prof-milton-fireballs New Member

    40
    0
    0
    except that what we post here, we reveal willingly.

    what the government gets by intrusion into our personal lives they get without our consent.

    there are 4 legal exceptions to the fourth amendment. One of them goes like this:

    District Attorney: "Your honor, even though we illegally searched his possessions, we would have found out all this information in another way anyway."

    Judge: "Oh, oh, blub blub blub, in that case I won't dismiss the case against the defendant . Let's give him a big fine, so I can send my daughter to an expensive private school."