Why there won't be as much S when the SHTF

Discussion in 'Survival & Sustenance Living Forum' started by Ploofy, Aug 11, 2011.

  1. JonM

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    that was the largest nonsensical pile of BS since obama's last state of the union address.

    in the US shtf isnt going to be about college kids getting upset.

    its going to be all the work-nots when the politicians cant borrow anymore. that article with socialists blaming corporate america because the socialists tax the workers to death to give money to the worknots is ridiculous at best
     
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  2. Ploofy

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    What exactly do you think the danger in the SHTF is? It's certainly not the downfall of our society. It's what others will do when that happens. And what do you think the most dangerous demographic would be?
     
  3. dunerunner

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    I don't know about what firearms the have nots have stockpiled but I do know the youth (college age) kids don't have a substantial stockpile. If running around in the streets burning businesses is what you are worried about, don't. It is meaningless. When they start kicking in doors and perpetrating home invasion robberies to gain the weapons and food they need, this is the zombie attack I am preparing for.

    We're talking about a very small minority here and they are not well trained, educated, nor are they prepared for the kind of conflict I will bring with me.
     
  4. Ploofy

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    The youth definitely aren't a minority. And the mobs that you see in London and the like are probably a little more than one person could easily handle.
     
  5. dunerunner

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    Ploof.....You're talking about a few hundred in London who believe the police won't do anything to injure them. They aren't having to advance over their friends dead bodies or duck bullets....It's a freaking street party.

    Come SHTF, there will be no police and after the supermarkets and department, liquor and sporting goods stores have been looted, they will turn to the neighborhoods...I'll be waiting for them.
     
  6. Ploofy

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    You won't have to wait for them. They won't be doing anything. Click the link up there. ^^
     
  7. dunerunner

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    I read it, they haven't a clue! "As long as Mom and Dad or the Government provide a roof and food" should have been the last line in that piece.
     
  8. CA357

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    When someone is starving, if they have the energy left, they will kill to eat part of a rat. Left wing guesswork and philosophy doesn't mean very much to me.
     
  9. c3shooter

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    q. How many liberal arts majors does it take to change a tire?

    a. Two. One to stay with the car, one to go call Daddy.


    What you are seeing in Europe is typical mob mentality. It takes on a life of its own, when it believes that it will overwhelm whatever is sent to resist it, eiher by greater force or speed of action. However, please note that, like mold or mildew, when the mob attempts to grow outside of urban areas, it appears that the fresh air and sunshine of rural areas is inimical to growth.

    Mobs have been described as the only organism with mutiple hands and feet, but no brain. But have been thru urban areas destroyed in riots- zones of total devastation, punctuated by undamaged property- usually owned by a Korean merchant with a shotgun. Maybe the mob is not completely brainless.
     
  10. bkt

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    People are people everywhere and behave similarly under similar circumstances. Look at what has happened in Europe - Greece, Germany, UK, Italy - when austerity measures are proposed or imposed. Look at what happened in Wisconsin not too long ago.

    To suggest that nothing will happen when the dollar collapses and those living in urban centers won't get desperate, stupid and violent is to ignore current and past events.

    Cultural mores are a thin veneer that will be stripped away in a heartbeat. It may be that American youth consider themselves less physical and more cerebral these days, but that won't last long in a serious crisis.
     
  11. JonM

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    America is different than european and middle eastern societies. While we do have a small minority of retards that the media loves to showcase as a majority most americans work for what they get.

    Slowly that is changing thanks to democratic liberal policy but its still the case atm. More than a few of our fellow citizens are more heavily armed than the most police forces. In london the police are dithering whether or not to use a freeking water cannon.

    In wisconsin we have had gangs of black racists attacking people the police have done nothing. So far they havent killed anyone or done any serious property damage. Its occured in almost strictly liberal areas where few people believein self defense as a personal responsibility. At somepoint an armed citizen is going to do something in self defense. When that happens we will see what america is made of.

    The proper response to these work not riots is call out the guard and arrest them prosecutethem to the fullest extent of the law. The longer that takes to happen the worse the problem becomes.

    There is a huge difference between a peacefull protest like the million man march and the london riots and rodney king riots.

    Its an amazing coincidence that none of the violent riots have occured in conservative run cities. Seems to only occur where massive levels of socialist liberals are in charge. Hmmmmm
     
  12. knfxda

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    Inimical. Impressive! That gets you a thumbs up.

     
  13. FatPat

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    Mobs are dangerous because of the numbers, and the feeling of invincibility those numbers give individuls within it.
    I guarantee that feeling of invincibility will evaporate when the first body hits the pavement. Fear of death is an incredibly effective behavioral modifier.
     
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    If things should get so bad that Americans run out of food (I hope to God it doesn't happen, but it could), I wouldn't put anything past people who are starving or who have starving families.

    The poor who cannot afford much food and the ill prepared who do not even have the sense for a minor emergency stash will be the first to become desperate. I can't really see the reasons in the article preventing them from taking desperate measures.

    I have worked at one of the nicer Southern department stores at a mall, and I've seen plenty of stupid teenagers and adults get caught for stealing an expensive shirt, costume jewelry, a swimsuit, etc. - things that they don't NEED at all. Most of the thieves just WANTED these things- they certainly could live without their loot and most aren't career criminals stealing these things to sell later or attempt to fraudulently return for cash. These thieves are more than willing to steal from others for frivolous things and some will resort to violence when they get caught.

    I can't imagine what people like that would do if they actually needed food. There are a LOT more of them out there than you think! I wouldn't want to live in a city if/when this happens!
     
  16. FatPat

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    I can. Anybody who thinks it can't happen, or if it does, it won't be all that bad... well, good luck with that. I sincerely hope you're right.
     
  17. Caoimhin

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    If you have worked in any type of law enforcement, security or bouncer you know how fast a fight between 2 people at closing time can quickly become 100 people and continue to snow ball. These kids do have student loans but they also have the constant worry of paying back those loans, constant collection calls, all the fees that make the loan balance grow,(no I don't have 1st hand knowledge). Is the degree they are trying to get worth anything and how are they going to make it with the low paying part time job they currently have? Venting anger with violence often snow balls.
     
  18. orangello

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    Da' Bears.
     
  19. SoupNazi

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    I think the point of the article is that the current young will not resist tyranny. Included in that is the speculation that at no time in their lives - young or old - will they have the courage to resist. From the comments here, it seems that most are in agreement with that.