Why the AR?

Discussion in 'AR-15 Discussion' started by wcohio, Dec 8, 2011.

  1. wcohio

    wcohio New Member

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    I have only had one AR, made by Stag arms. It seems overly complicated with loads of small parts, and the gas system allows the receiver to gunk up inside with powder. It's also a pain for me to strip fully (compared to the AK or SKS). Although it was a decent shooter, it was light and comfortable, and it has loads of options, it doesn't seem worth it to me to pay nearly $1000 for a modern AR with all of the disadvantages they have. Why not just invest in a cheaper mid-range carbine that shoots cheaper ammo, and get a deer rifle for shooting longer shots?

    With this in mind, other than collecting, why do you like the AR? What would be your other options if you didn't chose the AR?
     
  2. Quentin

    Quentin New Member

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    Hey maybe you've got something there. Why not tell the US Army!

    Anyway, everyone should have an AR and AK.
     

  3. JonM

    JonM Moderator

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    its a simple design with very few moving parts. all the working parts can easily be replaced by the operator without tools. the firing pin can serve as a punch.

    the parts in a ar15 tend to be more robust than whats found in cheap ak47s.

    its light weight accurate the rounds dont weigh much the gas system doesnt suffer from piston oprod seperation the way aks do.

    gas in the reciever doesnt effect function. a couple of members here run their ar15s in intensive carbine classes and training without cleaning and no problems.

    under sustained fire if the gas tube ruptures it will continue to fire like a bolt action by charging it for each shot.

    short of beating the thing with a hammer it will shoot.

    i dont find them hard to clean at all. wipe the bolt carrier down wip out the upper and your good to go in a basic field cleaning.

    ive fired thousands of rounds of insanely dirty blank rounds in my issued m16 without stoppages.

    anyway they are great guns if your not getting something like a carbon15
     
  4. tellmaster207

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    Readily available parts & ammo is really the only thing I like A LOT about the AR.
    And you got to like porning up your AR.
    I take my time & buy accessories used or on close out. As far as cleaning goes I'm kind of a cleaning nut anyway. With all that being said an AR is not my favorite rifle to shoot or hunt with by any means.

    I probably like the .223 round more than a lot of people but I prefer a Mini & Tikka T3 for the platform.
     
  5. trip286

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    I like the AR platform because it's one of the weapons I've trained with. Familiarity counts for something you know. That being said, I don't own one, but that's only because I don't have much disposable income. If do get some good amount of money in my pocket and I finally get a 1911, I'll end up getting an AR. I like S&W M&P rifles, I've fondled (yes fondled, I don't often simply handle a firearm) many different models, and it's just the one that I feel like I like the most.
     
  6. tellmaster207

    tellmaster207 New Member

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    I built my first AR. Took along time, but I did it on the cheap. I bought a part here & there mostly from gun shows, classified adds & take offs. Probably averaged like 10 bucks a week. It wasn't pretty but shot the same as everybody's.
     
  7. trip286

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    Really I think I would kind of like a frankenstein gun. Kind of like a rat rod bike, spare parts build kind of look. I'm gonna put some thought into doing it like that. But I would purposely have some strange looking mismatched stuff. Like my M16A2 in boot camp, the lower looked like it had been dipped in acid with the finish being cloudy and hazed, while the upper looked almost brand new.

    I might would even throw a little duct tape on one just for the heck of it.
     
  8. mjkeat

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    Since nobody has mentioned it yet, Filthy 14.

    Didn't we just have a thread like this a couple days ago?

    I think something is in the air. I've been kinda grumpy myself lately.

    Don't buy a POS and you won't have anything to wory about.
     
  9. AgentTikki

    AgentTikki New Member

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    Well why not get a gun that's the best of both worlds. You wanna go into a gunfight carring two rifles?
     
  10. wcohio

    wcohio New Member

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    I wouldn't call the AR the best of both worlds, unless it were a bullpup and had a cleaner gas system and looser tolerances.
     
  11. AgentTikki

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    Ever shot a bullpup? How'd you like the trigger?

    Everything is a trade off. Looser tolerances, less precision. Less gas in the back, more gas up front.

    Honestly I loooooove bullpups. They tickle the gun geek in me. But after shooting one...meh. I've handled a fs2000, msar, aug, fn p90, and they all fell like big fat chunky glock triggers. Don't get me wrong, I love my glocks, but I think their triggers have no place on a carbine/ rifle.
     
  12. mjkeat

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    Who are you getting your info from?

    It's widely known that a quality AR can go 10's of thousands of rounds with no cleaning or meintnence. It's been done, recorded, then put into print.

    I myself run Tula w/o cleaning b/w range trips or 3gun comps. I'm roughly in the realm of 1.5k+ rounds. They stay wet and running strong.
     
  13. AgentTikki

    AgentTikki New Member

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    Obvious troll is obvious.
     
  14. Quentin

    Quentin New Member

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    Yeah, I'm getting the troll alert too. wcohio, go bother someone else.
     
  15. trip286

    trip286 New Member

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    They see me trolling, they hatin, they think they gonna catch me writin dirty.....
     
  16. wcohio

    wcohio New Member

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    I'm a troll for pointing out the obvious pitfalls of an over-expensive gun?
     
  17. purehavoc

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    Black rifles are just that , Beautiful, accurate, multi bullet flying machines :)
    I presume one day black rifles will not be publicly available due to the great people we have running this fine country , So I have mine ordered and on its way :D
     
  18. purehavoc

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    For troll support press 1 followed by the # key
     
  19. FCross7

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    You're not pointing anything out that we don't know, and they're not pitfalls. Every weapon system has it's pros and cons. All the anti-AR15 people feel the need to call it out on how "dirty" it is and how it "must be kept uber clean all the time". That's just not true. As has been pointed out a few times in this thread already, multiple people have gone multiple thousands of rounds in between cleaning with no malfunctions of any kind.

    If you don't like the weapon platform, great. However, that doesn't mean that we wanna hear about it.

    -Fred
     
  20. cfraga1978

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    If he had the chance to spend a year playing in the sand and depending on a m4 for his survival maybe he might have a different opinion of the platform. I can tell you I have spent weeks in sand storms in afgahastan. Where my rifle was filthy. I never once had any sort of malfunction. People that can't afford an AR make themselves feel better about not having one by talking trash about it. We don't want to hear your crap. If you like some other rifle better that's great tell us about it and why it is so great. Otherwise go troll somewhere else

    High angle hell. Death and destruction from above.