The argument that your gun will be snatched from it's holster and used against you, and/or that you'll be the first one targeted by a bad guy in the event of an active shooter/armed robbery situation? I bring this up because I've argued against the point many times, and invited everyone I've argued with to "show me the money", yet, to date, no one has. And so, I dedicate this thread, to IRREFUTABLE PROOF that "OC will get you killed." I always say, "I'm sure it's happened... but when?", and no one has ever answered. So, I extend this invitation to ALL OF YOU, please, "show me the money". When has OC gotten anyone killed in this manner? Here are the rules: 1. Armed security and cops? They don't count. This is an argument pro/con on the subject of the "AVERAGE" LAC Open Carrying a handgun. 2. Guns stolen from a home and later used in a burglary resulting in injury or death? Don't count. Again, this is about me, or Manta, or Axxe55, or WOC, TWW, or absolutely any other regular "Joe" or "Jolene" going about their daily lives with a handgun on their hip, it's NOT about home break-ins. Break ins can happen to anyone, whether you OC or CC. 3. Just in case 1 and 2 weren't clear enough, or the intro, there's this: I want to see EVIDENCE. At this point, I'd even be surprised to see unsubstantiated claims, that if you OC, you're at a significant disadvantage and that your "gun will be snatched from it's holster and used against you or others", or that, "you will be shot first in an active shooter situation". Now, let me be clear, I'm not trying to say that everyone should OC. If you feel you have a distinct tactical advantage by CCing (I know I feel that way myself), that's your call. I am solely looking for opponents to the matter to back up their claims with real life evidence of some sort. Oh, and drop the hypothetical conjecture. We've all heard the argument, I've even outlined them here. Don't say "It will" or "it can" without any evidence. That's why I started this thread, because I'm sick and tired of everyone regurgitating the same old bull **** with nothing to back it up. Even I agree that it can happen. I just want to know, "when has it happened?". Because the anti OCers are really adamant that "the streets will run red with blood", yet have not offered any support for that argument, and I can't find any myself. Ready? Set? GO!!!