Why should 22 rimfire rifles be cheap?

Discussion in '.22 Rifle/Rimfire Discussion' started by cpttango30, Aug 8, 2009.

  1. cpttango30

    cpttango30 New Member

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    Ok along the line of the disscussion I have with jiro.

    I want to know why a QUALITY rimfire rifle should be so much cheaper than a centerfire rifle?
     
  2. IGETEVEN

    IGETEVEN New Member

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    Tangle I suspect you already know this.

    Rimfire is an older design. Back at about the time of the civil war, there were many different rimfires, but most are now extinct because centerfire rounds outperformed them.

    Rimfire: Very small caliber; not suitable nor legal for hunting large game; not re-loadable. On the other hand, it is a great beginner's gun. It is relatively inexpensive to shoot. No recoil. Fairly quiet.

    Centerfire: Small to large caliber; larger caliber is suitable for medium & large game; can be reloaded to cut down on expense. Ammo can be expensive. Larger calibers can have mild to vicious recoil. Loud. Range can be extensive.

    The rimfire is detonated when the rim is struck by the firing pin. The centerfire is detonated when the primer at the center of the base of the cartridge/bullet is struck by the firing pin.

    Regis, that's my best answer, like you didn't know this already? :confused:

    Jack
     

  3. stalkingbear

    stalkingbear Active Member

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    There's no reason why QUALITY rimfires should cost less than their centerfire counterparts. There's 3 basic reasons why rimfires cost less than centerfires.

    The 1st is because rimfires are so low pressure, or "weak" if you will, compared to centerfires. That enables the manufacturers to greatly simpfly construction & design.

    The second is that because they (rimfires) are simpler/cheaper to make, they're what most people start out with-they tend to think they've "outgrown" them & not take them as serious. Indeed most shooters come full circle sooner or later and rediscover rimfires.

    The 3rd is because they can make them cheaper, the manufacturers take advantage of this & see how many they can sell compared to "brand X"-the numbers game.
     
  4. RL357Mag

    RL357Mag New Member

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    Let's not generalize, there ARE rimfires that are quite a bit more expensive than the average centerfire...
     
  5. JiroZero713

    JiroZero713 Active Member

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    For me for what I do and what I like to shoot as I'm a more tatical shooter guy I just to juse use a .22 as a fun plinker rifle....not as a serious rifle.


    Maybe eventually I'll become like that....hell I do like the .22 magnum round. Saw a rugger 10/22 in magnum a while back looked nice.


    But anyway....I don't target shoot with rimfire and it is underpowered so I like spending my money on ....parden the expression.... better man killers.


    Although I will but buying a Ruger Mark II and some other .22 and getting a Supresser class license for them as that would be awesome.




    But in the end it depends on what you are looking for. For me I just like plinking for now....so cheap .22s are what I drift to. Sold my 802 though as I hated it....want a wood .22
     
  6. cpttango30

    cpttango30 New Member

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    Ok jiro that is not telling me why they should be cheaper. Just that you are cheap.

    I want specific reason why a rimfire rifle should be cheaper than a centerfire rifle. They have just about the same amount of machine work. Still have to pay people the put them together.
     
  7. c3shooter

    c3shooter Administrator Staff Member

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    Well, actually, they are not built the same, and do not require the same amount of machine work.

    MY CF rifles have 3 locking lugs on bolt, machined to precisely match 3 slots in the receiver. Chamber is different machining. Parts must fit much more precisely than my RF rifles.

    Now a Marlin 39A, with a LOT of precision machining may well sell for more than a basic entry level CF rifle, like a bolt action 30-30.

    Look at the sum total of materials and manpower.

    Oh- and many 22 rf barrels are a different grade of steel than a .300 win mag bbl.

    Now, why is there such a disparity in the price of 22 rifles and 22 PISTOLS........hmmmmmm. :rolleyes:
     
  8. masterPsmith

    masterPsmith New Member

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    Could almost write a book on the subject, but some of the most obvious points have been said. On the subject of the use or rimfires and going full circle, I made that full circle many, many moons ago. I shoot more rimfire nowdays than anything else, other than my ongoing practice for carry. More people need to break-out them old .22s. There is nothing like the smell of .22s in the morning. Brings back some of those childhood memories..............

    Jim...........................
     
  9. JiroZero713

    JiroZero713 Active Member

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    Er? I never said Rimfire should be cheap. I just said for me I'd want them to not be to expensive.

    It's a personal preference. Not a law.
     
  10. trautert

    trautert New Member

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    Economics. Supply and Demand. Perceived value.

    Tom
     
  11. chucksolo69

    chucksolo69 New Member

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    Interesting thread. What I really hate about people and the .22 rifle/cartridge is that many take them too lightly. Some people I know treat them like a glorified Crosman bb gun. As we found out here in Oceanside, CA, a .22 an be lethal from a long way away. An Oceanside police officer was recently killed by a .22 caliber bullet fired from a rifle at over 100 yards. The bullet penetrated the officer's armpit just above the rim of the armhole in his body armor.
     
  12. hunter Joe

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    We have been selling the Colts dedicated AR .22 cal for around $700. and the GSG 5s for nearly $600. IMO this is not that inexpensive. The Colt is German crafted by Walthers and would make a nice addition to any gun collection. These are not your typical grandma's opossum shooters.
     
  13. orangello

    orangello New Member

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    They should be inexpensive for the kids to learn with, but i don't think that is PC anymore.
     
  14. Shotgun Shooter

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    I would say because
    1. Alot of rimfire ammo is cheaply made (however it is debateable, mainly talking about bulk packs)
    2. Not much power to them. Yes they can cause damage, but with 1 shot, they limit "knock down" power for hunting or defense.
    3. A quality, well built firearm, regardless of caliber, should be more expensive. I think alot of people would agree they'd pay more for something that'll last a lifetime than a piece of junk that'll last only a few years.

    S.S.
     
  15. cpttango30

    cpttango30 New Member

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    Less power Yah ok. You guys believe that if you want.

    More deer have been killed with a 22lr than any 3 centerfire cartridges combined.

    There was a time when my family was broke down and out and needed food I took a few deer at 75 yards and less with a 22lr would I do this any other time. NO HELL NO, do I condone it. No I do not. It was a time of great need and that is what I had.
     
  16. hunter Joe

    hunter Joe New Member

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    Tango, I'm with you my brother. I know a guy that lives in Upper Michigan that told my about his neighbor's son that killed a whitetail with a pellet rifle scaring it away from the bird feeder. I guess that was kind of an O $hit moment and those u-pers were scrambling to get rid of the evidence. I would of like to have witnessed that one first-hand.

    As hunters we owe a lot of respect to the game we pursue. That is way it is necessary to practice, practice, practice, whether it's a .22 or a 300 win mag. The nice thing about the .22 is how inexpensive it is and it's still as good as practicing with any other cartridge. Breathing, trigger control, and proper site picture can all be practiced with a .22.
     
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  17. Shotgun Shooter

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    I was under the impression this was an opinion thread, not a "its my thread and you better believe what I say" thread. My bad.

    S.S.
     
  18. cpttango30

    cpttango30 New Member

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    SS why are your shorts all torqued?

    Everyone thinks the 22lr is so underpowered and such a toy that it kills more people than any other round out there.
     
  19. GatorDude

    GatorDude New Member

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    Shhhh...we don't want to pay more than we have to. :) I think most .22 rifles are priced to meet the expectations of the market. Millions of shooters are quite happy with mass produced Marlins and Rugers. Hell, I'm quite happy with my Granddad's single shot Ranger...

    I do think there is a difference between cheap and inexpensive. I'm quite happy with my bolt action Marlin Model 25N. It ran me about $155 new. It has been a nice solid rifle for the last 18 years or so. My wife's Plinkster was cheap, but it is fun to shoot, accurate, and so far it has never failed us in any way. I believe that my .22 rifles are made with a far lower grade of metal than the Swedish steel of my Mauser. However, none of my .22 rifles seems likely to fail any time soon.

    It would be fun to step up to a fine precision rifle like an Anshutz. I'd love to have one like the Olympians use. However, I'm not sure that my Marlin--perhaps with the addition of a lighter replacement trigger group--would be totally, totally, embarassed by such a rifle. When I was in college we shot some kind of heavy single shot bolt action rifle and I qualified as a collegiate marksman after a semester of class. However, I have just as much fun with my Marlin and fun is what .22 rifles are all about.

    I think many of the more expensive .22 rifles are built on a more expensive centerfire rifle frame. For example, a Ruger Model 77/22 looks to be built on the frame that was built for larger centerfire rounds. I think that would be great for hunters who use centerfire Model 77s for game.

    Ultimately, if a more expensive .22 makes you happy, go for it and let us know how you do with it. I'd love to know how much of a performance jump I would get if I paid 3x or 4x more for a .22. A side by side comparison of an Anschutz, an off the shelf Marlin, and a moderately tricked out 10/22 might be fun.
     
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  20. stalkingbear

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    If you want to see MY idea of a good .22 look at "my squirrel rifle" thread OR I could take some pics of my Kimber of Oregon .22 magnum with 3 digit serial #.