why is the h&k forum so dead?

Discussion in 'Heckler & Koch Forum' started by aikimo, Mar 28, 2013.

  1. aikimo

    aikimo New Member

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    Dear all,

    Compared to the other forums, this one seems to be very dead. Why? Is there less to talk about? Besides my p30, i also have a Glock, and that forum constantly has a lot of interesting posts about glocks..

    Is there less to talk about in the h&k world?

    Best to all of my fellow h&k owners
    Mo
     
  2. MattShlock

    MattShlock New Member

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    H&K is a shadow of its former self in the US unfortunataly as you can probably tell not just from this forum but from people who talk about the H&K's they own and/or use. New Detonics. Wildey. Dan Wesson. H&K?
     

  3. CrazedJava

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    HK's are expensive, so thus fewer owners.

    I love HK's myself, but can't justify the cost and regardless of ownership what is there to discuss about the USP or the HK 45 that hasn't already been said?
     
  4. 2manyhobbies

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    and add Glock an inferior gun gets all the press, I mean every time you hear the words ND and Cop you see a Glock ;-)

    and just like in Sears, you have
    1911.. good
    Glock... better
    HK... Best!!!

    Unfortunately almost every one wants cheap and reliability is sort of a secondary issue so they go and buy a Taurus, CZ, or something like that....

    Am I a HK snob??? nope I have Taurus, CZ, S&W, and a few others., I just recognize quality and reliability when I use it...
     
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  5. Jagermeister

    Jagermeister New Member

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    I am on the other forums talking about my USP. Keeps me busy. Not sure what to put on the HK forum, since we all know their guns are badass. Need to spread the gospel to the others.
     
  6. CrazedJava

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    Never known a CZ to have reliability issues.

    I think this is an ongoing failing with HK though. Great brand and I consider HK and SIG to be the premium brands for handguns, but for less money you have the Magnum Research Jericho/Baby Eagle series which are every bit as reliable and possibly just as accurate.

    Or you have Rugers which may be even more reliable and probably accurate enough for 90% of most shooters for just over a third of the cost.

    SIG at least offered the SIGPro (and now 2022) series which are lower cost but still excellent pistols. HK needs something similar.
     
  7. Jagermeister

    Jagermeister New Member

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    I put this also in HK forum.

    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fjomb1vHoOs[/ame]
     
  8. aikimo

    aikimo New Member

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    Just watched the video. Excellent video.. Thanks.
     
  9. kbd512

    kbd512 Well-Known Member Lifetime Supporter

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    There are a number of reasons why HK firearms are not popular anymore.

    1. Price - Even way back when HK started importing firearms into the US, their prices were always a pretty penny and there was nothing so spectacular about any of their products that warranted the prices.

    2. Availability - HK parts and firearms are not easy to come by. I have owned just 3 HK firearms in my life (1st - HK-91, 2nd - HK USP 45, 3rd - HK P9S 45). All of those firearms were extremely expensive in comparison to competitive products and none of them were particularly special, apart from the P9S.

    3. Attitude - There is the perception that HK does not want to have civilians purchase their products. I'm not sure where people get this, as the few times I called customer support for spare parts the reps were very courteous and helpful but that seems to be what a lot of people think.

    HK doesn't make roller lockers anymore, apart from the MP-5, which is LEO/MIL only. That was HK's claim to fame and for people who thought the roller lockers were pretty neat, the parts supply is all but gone (apart from domestically produced copies).

    How can you have an enthusiastic customer base for firearms that you can't get spare parts, magazines, or accessories for? For most civilians, the HK guns are curiosities, even though HK makes tough, functional products.

    Let's look at an example of a case in point:

    MR556A1 - HK produced a 9 pound AR with no chrome lined barrel, a special tool required to disassemble, special operating parts that you can only get from HK, a butt pad that can unlock if you rotate the gun on your shoulder, and enough metal on the front of the gun that it feels like it's gonna tip over your support hand. It costs 3X or more than a Colt AR-15 and you'll only benefit from the piston system if you have a habit of dragging your gun through the mud or firing it under water. Seriously, what's not to like about that?

    Is the MR556A1 a quality weapon? Sure, but most of the features that the majority of shooters would expect from an AR aren't present with the HK variant.

    HK markets their products using exclusivity tactics and prices that exclude a lot of potential customers. Well, when it comes down to it when you start excluding potential customers you start shrinking the enthusiast base.

    For the 3K+ that a HK-91 costs, which you can no longer buy from HK, you can purchase a superb civilian M14 copy that shoots more accurately, is easier to purchase replacement parts for, and is just as durable as a HK rifle.

    I really enjoyed my HK products while I had them and thought the world of them, but I'll probably never buy another.
     
  10. 2manyhobbies

    2manyhobbies New Member

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    Have a CZ 100 a genuine POJ, poor corrosion resistance, poor accuracy, not a gun to rely on...:eek:
     
  11. USVI

    USVI New Member

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    HK owners are alive and well over at [removed].
    Rugers are more reliable than HK? I don't think so. HK quality and reliability is outstanding. Sometimes you get what you pay for, firearms are one of those things.
     
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  12. jyo

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    Maybe HK owners just have a lot less to talk about because their guns always work---as for parts and accessories---havn't needed any parts and I don't have any problems obtaining holsters, mags, etc. Just shoot and enjoy...
     
  13. 2manyhobbies

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    been there for a number of years, lots of good links too, that is where I first found the link to my match barell...:cool:
     
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  14. 1911love

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    Most people won't spend the money for an HK. If you have a good LGS and are patient you can find one for a reasonable price. About two years ago I bought a barely used USP .45 v.1 for $600. I agree about the parts part too. They are hard to find and expensive. I had to shell out $100 for a factory 12 round magazine. That's crazy.
     
  15. 2manyhobbies

    2manyhobbies New Member

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    Man who ripped you off???:eek:
    Next time try Gun Broker I bought mine there for around $35.00 each!!!;)
    Parts have never been a issue as mine in over 70,000 rounds and 12 years has never needed any.:cool:

    But as USVI pointed out in post no 11 the HK pro forum is a good place and it has multiple links to all kinds of HK resources parts and Armorers.:D
     
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  16. 1911love

    1911love New Member

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    Thanks 2many, $35 sounds a lot more reasonable. Guess I way over paid.
     
  17. MaxImpactGuns

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    I have a full size usp.45 and i LOVE IT! I've had it for years. I also had a compact usp .45 but was stolen out of my truck last year in May. I will probably never get it back and with the holster I invested over $900. I have a couple glocks and love them too but my H&K was the first handgun I ever purchased. I actually got into the H&K name after playing Metal Gear Solid on the original playstation back in the late 90's. They are expensive but worth every penny IMO
     
  18. 1911love

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    Indeed they are. I really want a P30 and I'd like to learn more about P7s. I hear the squeeze cocker is great, I've never held one though.

    I really hope the sub forum picks up. There is a lot to learn about HKs for a guy like me(31). It seems only the "old timers" know a lot about them. I guess my generation just wants a $500 Glock and any old kydex holster.
     
  19. msup752

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    I have a P7 and it is outstanding. The gas delayed blowback system is nearly foolproof reliable over a wide range of pressures. It is very accurate due to the fixed barrel and very light trigger pull. It is also very safe with the heavy squeeze cocking mechanism. Kids won't easily figure it out or have the strength to compress it and, in the rare chance it is taken from me, it is unlikely the assailant would squeeze hard enough to engage the striker.
    But, it is heavy, limited mag capacity, most mags are heel releases and not button, gets very hot, is no longer in production, barrel requires factory replacement (wish mine was threaded), and the mags are $70!
    HK's are premium guns at premium prices. Lack of parts and service don't help either.
     
  20. ryguy00

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    I have a p30 and it is the favorite of myself and my friends to shoot. When I take it shooting, it is the one I always have to look for because it tends to magically disappear from the shooting bench. My friends not only love that gun, they also think they are hysterical. If you're interested, you should definitely buy one. I guess us HK owners don't talk about our HK's much because we're too busy at work trying to pay for another one.