Why is the Arisaka so Hated??

Discussion in 'Curio & Relic Discussion' started by Trez, Apr 8, 2012.

  1. Trez

    Trez Well-Known Member

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    Why is the Arisaka always referred to as that "Damn Jap gun"? Everybody tells me the Japanese and the Arisaka are so hated, because of the Bayonet practice the Japanese did on POW's..

    My problem with that is, what Army hasnt done horrible things? Why isnt that the case with other military guns? Why do Nazi guns still bring top dollar when what they did was way worse than just "bayonet practice"? How many people got a Luger bullet to the back of the head, or a Mauser bayonet stuck in them just because they were Jewish? But Lugers are still "Sexy" and Mausers are still loved... The Mosin killed many whos only "crime" was being tired of being poor and hungry..
    The US wernt saints either.. I was watching a documentary where soldiers said they figured out if you hit a "Jap" in the back of the head hard enough it would knock out the gold fillings outta their teeth, another said he found it easier just to shoot them in the back of the head with his .45 and he could just pick the gold off the ground..
    Hell, US solders used to cut body parts of the dead and send them home as souvenirs, theres even a picture in Life magazine, where a G.I's wife has a Japanese skull on her desk that was signed by all the members of her husbands platoon..
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    Seriously, outta all the messed up crap that happened in WWII bayonet practice on POW's was the worst??

    If you just consider the gun, the Arisaka is actually a fine rifle. They were proven to be the strongest action of the war, and everything ive read says there very accurate..

    Im not trying to "stick up" for the Japanese, Im just curious why a Nazi Mauser or Luger is $1000 when they wanted to exterminate races, But a Arisaka is a $100 because of a little bayonet practice?? :confused:
     
  2. big_blue79

    big_blue79 New Member

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    Maybe it's how many were made? Maybe the Jap's have a bad taste in our mouths because of Pearl Harbor?
     

  3. m72law

    m72law New Member

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    i did own a 7.7 arisaka,& loved it...but the guy i sold it to loved it more:)

    as for them being hated so much????my arisaka never killed anybody while in my possession:rolleyes: people who have a problem with any ''make'' of firearm,because it murdered the wrong person/people:confused:comes off as libertarian to me;) just saying...

    Trez,where can i buy a Arisaka for a 100bucks? i would pay that for a mum ground off & sporterized w/out a stock:D
     
  4. JTJ

    JTJ Well-Known Member Supporter

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    I knew a man that survived the Bataan Death March. You can not imagine the hatred felt by him against anyone or anything Japanese. I will leave it at that.
     
  5. jpattersonnh

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    I had a 7.7 type 99 that was a vet bring back. My Dad would not touch it, would not look at it. He was a SeaBee and spent 4+ years in the southern Pacific.
    We were in a dept. store in the early 1970's. We were riding down on the elevator when the doors opened and 2 Japanese gentlemen got in. My Dad started to shake and sweat. He hit the button for the next floor and we got out.
     
  6. Kenney

    Kenney New Member

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    A gun is a gun. People who look at it any other way are looking too much into it.
     
  7. jpattersonnh

    jpattersonnh Active Member

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    Unless you've seen to much carnage. Imagine being in a life or death struggle for 4 years. You would have no ill will for the people, their methods or weapons?
     
  8. rjd3282

    rjd3282 New Member

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    My dad fought the nazis but he still rode in a volkswagon. My uncles ship was sunk by the Japanese but he didn't have a problem with Japanese products his brother was killed by the Germans but he drove an Audi. I spent years preparing for war with the Russians but I'm married to a Russian. Can't go around being bitter forever.
     
  9. Kenney

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    It's a tool, plain and simple. If it works good and looks good, I'll use it without question. My grandpa was a ww2 vet, got me into shooting. Had a lugar he abused the crap out of, because it worked.
     
  10. JTJ

    JTJ Well-Known Member Supporter

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    When you are brutalized, starved and have to watch your friends and fellow prisoners of war tortured and murdered for fun and games on a daily basis, you dont forgive easily. That shaking and cold sweat that JP described was an effort not to kill the Japanese he came in contact with. My dad and uncle came through WW2 without hating and my brother came out of Korea without hating but none of them faced the atrocities of Bataan. For the survivors it was up close and very personal. They are probably all dead by now but you would understand if you could talk to one and they were willing to talk about it.
     
  11. 30-30remchester

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    My uncle survived the Bataan death march, the hell ships, and forced labor in a Japanese steel mill. While all side had incedents of brutality, The Japanese were especially good at abuse. Starving people for the fun of it, having head chopping contest with newspaper accounts of the toll of heads per hour. The rape of Nanking, the burning alive of prisioners, just to name a few. That aside, the rifles were crude at best, but a great design, with a tough as nails reputation.
     
  12. cuate

    cuate New Member

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    All Nation's peoples hate the enemy, and hatred of former enemies take a long time to die out. I spent two years in Japan during the Korean war era and by learning a few words like please, thank you, good morning, how are you ? I was treated a damn sight better by the Japanese than by Californians when I was there before going overseas !

    And I once owned a 7.7mm Type 99 Japanese rifle which was accurate, and I have been told had very strong actions. I regret trading it off long ago, I also had a Nambu pistol but could find no ammo in the US at the time and swapped it off..

    I have a Russian Mosin rifle and a couple of Russian 1895 Nagant pistols and although I have never been impressed with Russia, I love their firearms, as well as my AK-47 .
     
  13. TimL2952

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    One of the gentlemen at my club was a tunnel rat in vietnam and he owns an sks, mosin nagant and an ak-47...

    Some people are hit harder thatn others...but it's like being afraid of a clown because you saw the movie "It."

    It's just some wood and steel.....and besides, the later model riflles were crude...just shows how much they were struggling at the tail end of the war.
     
  14. texaswoodworker

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    The reason why I think so many people hate them is because the Japanese were brutal as hell. They were famous for torturing their POWs in ways that would make the worse Nazi in Germany look like a saint. :eek: They were also extremely brutal in their warfare.
    America at the time HATED them. I was looking at an old college newspaper that was published during the war a while back, and there was a comments section for students to talk about the Japanese. Basically, everyone said they did not consider the Japanese to even be human, and that they deserved to be exterminated. That hate was passed down, and some of it is still around today. A lot of it was transferred to their guns.
    Personally, I wouldn't mind having a Arisaka. If I could find one for a good price that doesn't look like it had been dragged through a swamp, and beat against a rock, I would probably get it.
     
  15. TacticalSenior

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    OK the Bataan Death March was horrific by any means. I expect many of those who experienced it had trouble forgiving and it’s their right to process it the way they choose. It is estimated 5,000 to 10,00 Filipino and 600 to 650 American prisoners of war died along the 80-mile route.

    Contrast that against what the US government is accountable for dishing out.

    Hiroshima – 80,000 people killed in a matter of milliseconds and another 10K to 50K injured by radiation.

    Nagasaki – 70,000 people killed in a matter of milliseconds with another 75,00 injured and another several hundred thousand later dying due to radiation and fallout.

    War is terrible, the strong survive and survival is often determined by our ability to forgive. Our ability to forgive wounds others have inflicted upon us is central to our healing.

    You decide which one is the most abusive.

    People justify all kinds of things for all kinds of reasons but in the end it is all evil.
     
  16. Durangokid

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    Gun collectors drive up prices. It has nothing to do with the way we view an enemy. The early Imperial Carbines and Rifles are will made arms. They bring a damn good price these days. I have a Papa Nambu a pick-up from the South Pacific . Look at the price on Granpa, Papas and Baby Nambus they are very good quality and high priced. Many of the pistols were bring backs and imports made during the war. These and the Italian Jap rifles were often dangerous to fire. These Post Emperial rifles tended to be of lower quality. Like the war time KAR-98 mausers sell for lower prices. Try buying some of those Jap Swords that were used for beheading. Very expensive. :)
     
  17. Trez

    Trez Well-Known Member

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    I find it slightly funny, during the first world war, everyone "wanted" to be a Japanese POW, because they treated you so well.. To this day theres actually a large thriving German community, because the German POW's enjoyed Japan so much they decided to stay after the war..
    Japan was a Allie during WWI. It wasnt until after the war when the US and British were dividing up Asia and Japan wanted a piece, that the League of Nations told them "no", so Japan called them a bunch of hypocrites, quit the League and started their "Hate of the West"

    If it isnt the hatred, why are Arisaka's so cheap? Without a Mum I can get a Arisaka for less than a Mosin.. You cant tell me theres more Arisakas than Mosins?? :confused:
    Ive never seen a Arisaka cost over $300.. My Pre-last ditch Type 99, 100% matching, still in the military configuration, with a Mum was only $200 out the door from a shop.. I traded a broken revolver for my Type 38 carbine, again with the Mum..
    Heres the pricing I see for Arisakas: $200-300 for correct rifles with the Mum, around $100 for correct rifles without the Mum, $50-$75 for sporters..

    Mosins around here are going up.. Its about $200 for just a "normal" 91/30, when there on sale, they go back down to $100. When I bought my Mosin the sale price was around $75..
     
  18. texaswoodworker

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    Where do you keep getting your Arisakas, because I want them to send me one. :D (Really, I'm serious, I'd pay $100 for a decent Arisaka in an instant (well, when I have spending money in a monthe or so);))
     
  19. TimL2952

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    ^^what he said..I've never even seen an Arisaka in Western NY...Enfields are rare enough...and I really want one lol
     
  20. big_blue79

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