Why is it ?

Discussion in 'AR-15 Discussion' started by 97powerstroke, Nov 1, 2011.

  1. 97powerstroke

    97powerstroke New Member

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    Could somebody please tell me why any time I am having a conversation with another shooter and I mention that my AR is an Olympic arms I get this look of discust as if they just stepped in something discusting. I don't get it, whats so bad about Olympic arms that would cause that kind of reaction. I don't seem to have any trouble with the gun at all. It goes bang every time I pull the trigger and never had a hiccup in the 3 or 4 years that Iv'e had it. What gives??
     
  2. bkt

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    Oly Arms rifles used to be pretty questionable on meeting their MILSPEC. Trying to fit a non-Oly upper to an Oly lower (or vice versa) often resulted in people around you learning a bunch of new ways to creatively curse.

    From what I understand, these days they're fine and meet MILSPEC.
     

  3. EagleSix

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    as bkt has pointed out....in addition from the time they started up and for many years they had many problems associated with their firearms. From mismatched parts, to poor customer service, to failure to deliver, to a lot of frustrated owners.....failure to feed, failure to extract, outside of milspec accuracy.......it was a long list of problems and issues. Folks remember and if they are making a quality product now.....it will be a long time before the sour taste diminishes, if ever.

    Most I have seen are junk, but there were a few which worked. You obviously have a good one and will unfortunately continue to receive the same response in the future are are experiencing now. Hopefully they have improved, and if so, will eventually gain back a following.

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  4. Nathantc

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    this rifle has an olimpic lower and it works with my ASA and my Colt upper just fine, as well as what ever upper that came on it (used build) this is the father inlaw's X-Mass gift he he he
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  5. Jeepergeo

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    A good gun is...

    ...one that does what the owner wants it to do when the owner needs it to do it. If you like pretty guns, then it has got to be pretty. If it needs to shoot tight groups, then it must be capable of doing so.

    One person's treasure might just be another person's trash. At our local range, you can freely talk up or down anything you own, but it highly looked down upon to talk down about another person's wears.

    Sounds like your olympic does what you want...I'd just ignore the comments.
     
  6. rjd3282

    rjd3282 New Member

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    Try owning a Taurus. :D
     
  7. Dillinger

    Dillinger New Member

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    Olympic is a local company to me, and the shop I go to knows a couple of people who have worked there for years, so I feel I can shed a little light on what bkt touched on.

    Olympic went through a period where tolerances were "subjective", shall we say, in direct relation to the amount of rifles that were needed to meet quotas.

    As such, quality suffered and as a by product, customer service went straight to hell. To make matters worse Olympic tried to "spin" the events and take to the media with excuses that were immediately lambasted by those in the know.

    Olympic has never really embraced the Internet, in aspects of joining forums and discussing issues. I have personally contacted them on behalf of this forum to help get their current state of production, which has greatly improved, out to the masses and was politely told that Olympic will no longer "be burned" by any media outlet, especially the Internet.

    Olympic cleaned house a few years back, probably 10 or more, and really made some changes for the positive. The folks that worked there on the machines got parts replaced that were needed and new machines were brought in, including some CNC stuff.

    These days Olympic is putting out a good product for the money. It's not cutting edge, but neither is the price tag. It's a good, stable product that is cross compatible with every platform that isn't the large pin Colt.

    People that still poo-poo them have probably been bitten, or know someone who was allegedly done wrong, so they think Olympic is a sub-standard product, which it isn't.

    When you get those responses, I would ask them when was the last time they shot, held or "heard the tale of woe" that is Olympic. That will tell you a lot about the person with the grudge.

    Today's Olympic is a good quality piece for the money. It's not a Ferrari, but it's not the AMC Pacer either. :cool:

    JD
     
  8. JonM

    JonM Moderator

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    current olympic isnt bad pretty much on the level of bushmaster and Smith Wesson.

    dillinger is spot on. they were pretty craptastic in the past. takes a long long long time to overcome a bad product and ignoring the problem only makes it worse. couple that with a desire to foolishly keep silent and you end up with a company that prolly will continue to struggle until they start talking to their customers.

    kimber is pretty much the olympic of 1911s and glock is another type like kimber--- they build a so-so product like oly does but unlike olympic they talk their asses off to anyone who will listen. they even try talking to those that dont!! so their so-so products get a huge following through the sheer power of self promotion. its amazing what a little yacking will do for a product that really has no right to be as popular as it is heh.
     
  9. AndyRexia

    AndyRexia New Member

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    Are you saying that Kimber makes a so so product?
     
  10. Dillinger

    Dillinger New Member

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    I kind of doubt that knowing Jon as I have over the years.

    He is pointing to the very well documented drop off in quality between the years of the "Kimber 1" and the later "Kimber II" editions.

    Kimber exploded on the scene, grew too big, too fast and had massive quality control issues. That plagued them for a few years as well. There are those that will claim it still does, but Kimber did own up to some of their problems and incorporated a much higher QC policy.

    Kimber has excellent models and sub par models, all that come with the Kimber name and price. :eek:

    JD
     
  11. Nathantc

    Nathantc New Member

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    lmao, right, i love my PT940
     
  12. FCross7

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    About 4 years ago, I was a dumber than I am now 18 year old kid, wanted an AR something fierce, went down to the LGS with very little knowledge on ARs, plunked down my 1k and walked out with an Oly Arms 20" A2, I think the model was KB4 or something along those lines. Knowing what I now know of the platform, and after handling and shooting other rifles, I have to say that it was a great rifle. Loved it back then and I still wish I hadn't sold it.

    The upper to lower fit was tighter than, well, something that's really tight. Shot straight, never had a malfunction of any kind. I actually shot side by side with a buddy who has a Mid 90s Colt in the exact same configuration and it shot every bit as good as his did, and my rifle cost about much less than his had.

    Now keep in mind, the only reason it was so expensive back then because that was immediately PBE (post-Obama elections), so prices were through the roof, but for what they go for now, if the quality is still what it was four years ago, I think you would be hard pressed to find a better AR-15 in that price range, which is mostly between $580-$780, with a couple in the $900s. I would buy another and would recommend them to my friends with no qualms.

    On a completely unrelated note, a guy at a LGS said Colt is no longer using the larger hammer and trigger pins. Does anyone know this to be fact?

    The Kimber price is what gets me. I have a good friend at work, and he and his uncle are both Kimber fanboys. My friend has a Ultra Carry, his uncle had a Raptor Ultra and now has a Ultra Super Carry. I've shot all three and all I had to say after shooting them was, "meh". At any gun store around here, I can pick up a Loaded Springfield 1911 for less than a Kimber Custom II (Kimber's base model for those who don't know), and in my opinion, the Springer is MUCH nicer.

    I won't say that Kimber makes a so-so product, but what I will say is that in my opinion, they make a so-so product for the price. If all the models were dropped about $150, then we'd be talking.

    -Fred
     
  13. Dillinger

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    Colt is no longer using the larger pin configuration.

    The .171/.172" proprietary pin was another of Colt's great ideas to set them a part from the rest of the market. You want a Colt Upper, you have to buy a Colt lower, or later on, drill the lower for Colt size pins. :rolleyes:

    Guess how long it took the Colt folks recognize anyone with a Level 1 drill skill set could drill another lower to fit a Colt upper. :cool:

    Surprise! Colts now come with the more industry standard .154" configuration. :D

    JD
     
  14. JonM

    JonM Moderator

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    yes that was my point. im not always the most capable typer. sometimes the thought doesnt fully hit the keyboard nd just bounces off into a corner
     
  15. FCross7

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    That's good to hear. They make some really nice rifles, but I just can't justify spending another $200 over a lot of other really good brands for the exact same thing.

    -Fred
     
  16. 97powerstroke

    97powerstroke New Member

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    Thanks for the feedback, I guess I can see where some of the bad rap came from now. But like I said, it has gone bang everytime I have pulled the trigger so I have no complaints about the gun. Thanks again.
     
  17. Fumbles

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    I stressed a little about the stigma of the Taurus brand when I bought an 85C....many years ago now. It is a DA only, snub-nose .38 Special-5 shot, small frame, bobbed hammer, ramp front sight...and with the Uncle Mikes Boot Grips on it I can drop it in my jeans pocket and it will not print.

    The trigger is a little stagey but I can always tell exactly when it is going to break.

    I don't reckon the jittery twitching, darting lizard eyed, desert zombie..... who was trying to do a very bad to my wife and I, waaaay out in the desert while we were hiking in Joshua Tree about 14-15 years ago...... was curious about the make of that handgun, when I showed it to him and pointed it in his general direction. Or the model number and caliber for that matter. All he cared about was the nice presentation I made as I pulled it from my fanny pack, holding it sideways just for a second, for him to see the fine profile it has, before showing him the business end of the barrel.

    The fact that he stopped his fast advance on us dead in his tracks and that his dark brown, sun beaten, once white, leathery skin turned almost completely white again as the blood drained out of his face....was enough to let me know he got the message. Had he asked, I would have told him about the Black Talon +P it was loaded with at the time.

    He didn't...not a word was said by anyone and he left lickety split.

    I'm glad I did not have to pull the trigger on him but I would have. That little snubby that has the Taurus name some people frown down on, saved our bacon out there that day I reckon, and so does my wife. It also earned the new name of Big Bertha.....a title she holds to this day.

    Don't stress on your firearm's brand name if it shoots straight, eats anything you feed it and does not need a lot of tweaking.......at the end of the day, who cares what the brand name is? People who ask you are just wanting you to ask them about their piece anyway so they can boast. If the name embarrasses you, just say it is a build of different parts and move directly to ask them about theirs. Give their feelings a short massage and be on your way.

    When the SHTF, it won't matter if you have a boutique rifle build, or a bottom shelf non-big name brand, as long as what you have is reliable and is fairly accurate.
     
  18. mjkeat

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    I had a long conversation w/ an Oly rep and left w/ the same opinion that I went in w/. They seem shady and from my experience there is always a reason behind that especially when it comes to a for profit organization.

    I was interested in one of their pistol cal ARs but no longer am.

    They charge BCM/Spikes prices but offer much less quality.

    For my requirements purchasing an Oly doesn't make sense.

    Add to that the AARs given by guys after finishing a carbine course in which an Oly/DPMS/BM etc. rifle had been involved and the picture becomes even clearer.

    I owned a couple Kimbers, both of which served me very well. However for the price I paid I shouldn't have thoughts of reliability issues lingering in the back of my mind. They are now both gone and have been replaced w/ a couple 5" M&Ps.
     
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  19. FCross7

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    Sorry to hijack the thread, but how do you like the M&Ps? I've been thinking about picking up a 9mm in 4". I've shot XD/m's, Glocks and now I wanna pick up a M&P to see which of the three I like best. I really like the way the M&P fits my hand, I just need to find one without the mag disconnect.

    -Fred
     
  20. mjkeat

    mjkeat New Member

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    I'll PM you.