why dont we have'em

Discussion in '.22 Rifle/Rimfire Discussion' started by sgtdeath66, Jan 5, 2009.

  1. sgtdeath66

    sgtdeath66 New Member

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    ok, so .17mach2, .17hmr, and .22wmr's all have rounds with ballistic tips in them. so why not .22 lr? why are we left out? i mean obviously we have the technology to do it, hell they even have .177 pellets with'em. if you ask me it is total bulls#!t:rolleyes:
     
  2. cpttango30

    cpttango30 New Member

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    Most 22lr barrels are made to shoot lead not jacketed ammo. At least that is the excuse I get when I ask the question.
     

  3. stalkingbear

    stalkingbear Well-Known Member

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    It would represent an tremendous effort & expenditure to develop jacketed bullets that would perform as good at .22LR velocity as the standard lead bullets we now have. It simply would be damn hard to make a jacketed bullet expand. The jacket would likely be as thin as some of the current coatings, or "copper washing". I really see no problem in the different lead bullet loadings as not only do they remain very inexpensive, but also almost impossible to wear a barrel out with modern steels with lead bullets. Yes, it's true the rifling designed for jacketed bullets only MAY be slightly different than rifling designed for lead bullets exclusively, but by the same token, then that barrel wouldn't perform as well with lead bullets-in theory.
     
  4. matt g

    matt g New Member Supporter

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    Many .22s are tube fed. You won't see Spitzer bullets in a tube fed firearm, due to the risk of explosion inside the tube magazine when dropped or jarred.

    Look at the 444 Marlin, .45-70, .32-20, .35 Rem and .30-30 Win. These were all bullets that were designed to run in tube fed rifles. None of them have Spitzer bullets.

    Don't quote me on that, but it made sense to me at the time.
     
  5. Minionsram

    Minionsram New Member

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    There are now!
    https://www.hornady.com/shop/?page=shop/search2&keyword=LEVERevolution

    It would probably be more effort than it is worth for them to make it in .22.
     
  6. matt g

    matt g New Member Supporter

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  7. Minionsram

    Minionsram New Member

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    They fed well in a friends ole marlin. a bit more accurate too:D
     
  8. matt g

    matt g New Member Supporter

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    Nice. Are the terminal ballistics improved as well? The thing I really like about the .30-30 is that fact that it hits like a brick. I've hit deer with them and got clean, one shot kills where the animal didn't even try to get up and run. That was using Hornaday's 170 gr. bullets.
     
  9. sgtdeath66

    sgtdeath66 New Member

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    ok i understand that but they have lead .177 cal pellets with tips in them why couldnt they just mold the lead around the tip, also i was thinking of maybe a bb in the tip. that would even help in the mushrooming effect
     
  10. stalkingbear

    stalkingbear Well-Known Member

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    Matt-you're forgetting that the rifles you speak of are centerfire, in which the primer is directly in middle. The rimfire he's asking about is primed around the outside rim of the case.




     
  11. matt g

    matt g New Member Supporter

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    Right, but it was the only reason I could think of for not using a Spitzer bullet.
     
  12. big shrek

    big shrek Well-Known Member

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    It's do-able, at a cost, but why bother?? Buy proven match-grade instead.
     
  13. 30-30remchester

    30-30remchester New Member

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    good catch on that stalking bear was wondering if anyone would catch onto the fact that spitzers are trouble for CENTERFIRE tube fed gun. by the way during ww2 remington did produce jacketed 22lr ammo for the military to meet the hauge convention regulation against expanding bullet use in combat, so it was developed as a fmj load. was refered to in 2 designations as the m24 and m42 loadings. where is all this going you ask? i am a collector of oddball 22 ammo and was hoping someone was willing to sell me either individual or full box of this ammo they may have laying around. if you have some you dont want pm me please. thats all folks