why does Lincoln get all the love over Washington?

Discussion in 'The Club House' started by DodgerBlue, Feb 20, 2012.

  1. DodgerBlue

    DodgerBlue New Member

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    Not political or what not. Just a observation.

    All the presidents day adds and special all mention Lincoln abd what he done. I personally Think George Washington alone is the father of this country and deserves all the love. His own day for the crying out the loud.

    It was Washington who rallied and kept the troops together at Valley Forge, it was Washington who crossed the Deleware in the middle of the night. And won us a little something todays dumb americans care nothing about (present company excluded). Freedom

    But yet good ol' Abe get's all the press.

    Ok, rant over
     
  2. Durangokid

    Durangokid New Member

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    Funny thing about that. Lincoln ran against the Democratic Party which was the Pro Slave party of the Civil War era. The Democrats damned old Abe for over 100 years. When race became the key to winning elections with the minority vote they made Lincoln the Icon of the new Democratic party. It seems the great uneducated masses never passed the 8th grade. Facts are in his time Lincoln made it very clear. He said if he could save the Union and let the South have their slaves he would choose saving the Union. It has become an American Hat trick.:rolleyes:
     

  3. unclebear

    unclebear New Member

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    I don't get why the presidents get all the credit people seem to forget that without the boys on the ground lincoln was just another whiny politcian.
     
  4. fmj

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    Revisionist history!

    Wheres Jefferson in the panthion of great presidents....just a footnote.

    Abe single handedly did more to destroy the republic than pretty much any other president after him.
     
  5. Yunus

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    I think its partly a "what have you done for me lately" mentality. Washington was in charge when this country fought for it's freedom. Lincoln was in charge when this country was held together and it happened more recently.

    I can't think of any President since who has led during a time of more crisis than the revolutionary or civil wars(I hope no one tries to compare modern times to the difficulties faced during the civil war). All the more modern wars of serious consequence have been fought on foreign soil for the most part.
     
  6. silverado113

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    A little known fact about Lincoln is that he cared more about saving the Union than freeing the slaves. I grew up thinking he was all about the slaves but if you look back into history and especially during the Civil War when he said, ""My paramount object in this struggle is to save the Union, and is not to either to save or to destroy slavery. If I could save the Union without freeing any slave I would do it, and if I could save it by freeing all the slaves I would do it; and if I could save it by freeing some and leaving others alone I would also so that. What I do about slavery, and the colored race, I do because I believe it helps to save the Union." It gives you a different feeling on the guy IMO.
     
  7. Vincine

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    I agree with the above posts.

    What impresses me about Washington is that he turned down a crown when his generals wanted to make him the king after the war. I’m not sure if he became the first president because the others dissidents trusted him. He wasn’t the brightest light in the room, but then it was a room with a lot of VERY bright lights. He may have been the noblest, and he wasn't born to it.
     
  8. orangello

    orangello New Member

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    I have often wished we had audio recordings of both Washington and Lincoln available to listen to. Lincoln was notorious for his horribly grating speaking voice. I think Lincoln was probably the opposite of Reagan; Reagan had a very polished speaking voice and presentation style (duh, former actor).
     
  9. texaswoodworker

    texaswoodworker New Member

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    I was never a fan of his, and this is why.

    1. When the states were seceding from the Union, Maryland was going to secede too. He made sure that did not happen by locking up almost every person that was for secession until it was too late for them to vote.

    2. He made the civil war something it wasn't. We did not fight a huge, costly war just so a small percentage (I think it was about 10% of Southerners, but I could not find a really reliable source) of people could or could not own slaves. Yes, it was an issue, but states' rights were a bigger issue. He signed the Emancipation Proclamation to make himself look good, and get more support for the war.

    3. He was part of the reason (though, this was accidental) the war even started. No one in the south voted for him, but he still got elected. I don't know about ya'll, but that would piss me off enough to make me want to start my own country too. :D

    Washington on the other hand helped lead us to freedom from the British, and helped establish this country.
     
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  10. Durangokid

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    The question was why has Lincoln become an Icon of Liberal America? Why is he more sainted than George Washington? This is a very interesting question. Pardon me, but it deserves more than Lincoln saved the Republic. This is the kind of answer we expect from the history taught in public schools. Could it be that Washington was in fact a very wealthy and smart capitalist? Could it be he was educated and provided many jobs and also owned slaves. Could it be that in todays dollars he would be worth 597 Million dollars? Could it be he does not fit the Left Wing profile of antiAmerica capitalism? In case you have missed the daily news there is a Class War going on in our nation. Lincoln born in a Log Cabin little education saved the black race from the white race. Lincoln saved the nation by using the power of the strong Federal government to control American society North and South. He is the only President to suspend the "Writ" Americans in the North were imprisoned and News papers that disagreed with him were shut down. The Federal Army for the first time was turned against Americans in NYC. Draft rioters were shot down in the streets. Don't compare him to the present President? Please, put aside your crayons and study some adult history.:rolleyes:
     
  11. Trez

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    When I was a kid, not too long ago, I remember they both had their own day... What ever happened to that??
    I remember something about a boycott of AZ, to make Az combine Washington's and Lincoln's b-days, and adopt Martin Luther King day...
     
  12. Yunus

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    No the question was
    Then the OP specifically stated it was not political.


    Probably because this is The Club House and not PRC.
     
  13. downsouth

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    WASHINGTON, Was the indispensable man, bar none.
     
  14. Charyoutree

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    A careful study of what Lincoln actually did while in office demonstrates that he should NOT be honored with a holiday. As someone already stated: Lincoln did more to destroy the Republic than any other US President. I would go so far as to say that he actually succeeded.

    ...and if I go down that road any further, I'll bet old to take it to PRC so I'll shut up now.

    Quis custodiet ipsos custodes? (Who watches the watchers?) --"Satires", Juvenal (Roman poet)
     
  15. orangello

    orangello New Member

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    Maybe people secretly hate on Washington for that hemp he allegedly grew.
    :D
     
  16. downsouth

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    Was was the largest distiller in the country also.
     
  17. davcolburn

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    Well said~ This is the best summary in this discussion that I have seen although there are many good comments. I would add to this comment that both of these wars, the Revolution and the 'Civil,' :~? show both the best that humanity has to offer as well as the worst, and that the only explanation as to how so much wisdom and progress could proceed from so much human limitation and dysfunction is that God providentially chose to accomplish the remarkable work that we know today as the united States of America. Why might Almighty God chose do this this peculiar work? I would suggest His reason was to provide a base camp for his Word, Christ's Gospel, and the Christian Church to flourish in freedom and accomplish His perfect purpose.

    That gives us reason to be both humbled and proud (in a good way) for the privilege of living in this great country~
     
  18. Durangokid

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    Abe Lincoln never belonged to any church in his life. He did attend services from time to time. He read a Bible as most people did in his day. He often quoted the Bible as other politicans of his time. :confused:
     
  19. CHLChris

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    Even more annoying to me--stealing the love from both of these fine presidents--is when Presidents Day is VERY wrongly assumed to honor all presidents. It is not Presidents' Day, but a day combining the birthdays of two very specific presidents.

    Washington lived in a time and place where being a gentleman was everything. He deserves every accolade afforded him, and his contemporaries also believed him to be of the highest character.
     
  20. ScottA

    ScottA FAA licensed bugsmasher Lifetime Supporter

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    Lincoln and Washington flip flop the 1 and 2 position in greatest Presidents polls all the time. They seem to share the limelight.

    And for those of you who don't think the Civil War was about slavery, go read South Carolina's Resolution of Secession. They started the war and made it very clear that slavery was the primary issue. Go study the Missouri Compromise. It was the most contentious legislation of the day and directly contributed to the war.

    The story that the Civil War was not first and foremost about slavery is simply revisionism.