Why do business with a company that does not want it?

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  1. sigp250

    sigp250 New Member

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    To all firearms forum members, FFL's and gun owners and law abiding citizens.

    I have been an FFL for several years. I have used Authorize.net as a merchant services gateway (credit card approvals) for the past two years.

    Today they sent me a notice that they were canceling my account. Frankly, I don't care. There are other merchant service gateways who DO want my business.

    If you are an FFL, thinking about starting a firearms business or any other business that uses Authorize.net Please think again.

    Attached is my response (sent to abuse@authorize.net) to their Very Impersonal Email notice followed by the notice they sent to me. I have changed salutations to my Username on this forum. Authorize.net did not have the courtesy to sign their cancellation notice to me.

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    Dear Authorize.net,

    Today I received by EMAIL a notice that you are terminating my account Due to: Service Agreement (the "Agreement") (http://www.authorize.net/files/Authorize.Net_Service_Agreement.pdf). These sections include, but are not limited to, the sale of firearms or any similar product.

    I have had this account for two years And you have taken my money for every transaction. My account with you was arranged by Power Pay, 888-888-4009, My bank Processor.

    I have informed Power Pay of your anti American Gun policy and your infringement on the Constitutional Second Amendment rights of all Law abiding U.S. Citizens.

    Please be aware that the Federal Trade Commission will be informed of you actions to harm my business. The FTC does investigate cases such as this where a paid service provider suddenly changes policy or in your case, got around to reviewing my account after approving it two years ago.

    Rest assured that I will be doing my best to inform all 300,000 + Federally licensed gun dealers collectors in the U.S. That it is against your policy for them to be doing business with you and that they should terminate their agreement with Authorize.net and find another Merchant Gateway immediately.

    As a Courtesy, I will be sending all licensed dealers a list of Gun Friendly Merchant Services Gateways who do not impose unrealistic restrictions on legal U.S. businesses. This includes a mailing to every Sporting Goods retailer who also sells firearms or ammunition.

    My Case will also be brought before NRA-ILA. Millions of gun owners will want to be made aware of ANY merchant who does business with a company who engages in anti American policies that infringe on their Constitutional rights. There are over 4,000,000 NRA members and thousands of affiliates who will be informed of your policy.

    Happy Trails,

    (sigp250)

    Midwest Shooting Sports and Supply LLC
    Website: Guns Supply - GunsAndSupply.com Home
    Email: service@gunsandsupply.com
    Tel: 888-745-2080
    Fax: 888-745-6635


    *** Cancellation Notice***
    Your Authorize.Net Merchant ID is: XXXXXX
    Dear MIDWEST SHOOTING SPORTS AND SUPPLY, LLC,
    Authorize.Net LLC ("Authorize.Net") has determined that the nature of your business constitutes a violation of Section 2.xv of the Authorize.Net Acceptable Use Guidelines (Terms of Use) and Sections 3.4 and 10.3.3 of the Authorize.Net Service Agreement (the "Agreement") (http://www.authorize.net/files/Authorize.Net_Service_Agreement.pdf). These sections include, but are not limited to, the sale of firearms or any similar product.
    Accordingly, pursuant to Section 4 of the Acceptable Use Guidelines, your ability to access and use the Authorize.Net Services will be terminated on April 29, 2011.
    If you feel you have received this e-mail in error or have any questions about this termination notice, please contact abuse@authorize.net.
    Regards,
    Authorize.Net Abuse Department
    ***You have opted to receive Administrative Announcements for your payment gateway account. To unsubscribe, log into the Merchant Interface and click Account from the main toolbar. Then click User Profile from the menu on the left. Select Edit Profile Information and uncheck the e-mail types you do not want to receive. Click Submit to save any changes.

    Authorize.Net does not send spam. Ever. For information on Authorize.Net communications and how we handle customer information, please see our Spam Policy and Privacy Policy.

    Please do not reply to this e-mail.

    Copyright 2011. Authorize.Net, a CyberSource solution. 808 East Utah Valley Drive, American Fork, UT 84003. All other marks are the property of their respective owners. All rights reserved.
     
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  2. lonyaeger

    lonyaeger New Member

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    So you're saying that they're engaging in anti-American policies? Because they don't want to do business with you for some reason.....they're unconstitutional and anti-American?
     
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  3. sigp250

    sigp250 New Member

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    Yes,

    I consider any business that does not respect our 2A rights to be anti American. Though it is legal for them NOT to do business with who ever they wish. It is my right to inform users of their policy and, for me, not to do business with them.

    This company categorizes their Anti-Gun policy along with Porn, Tobacco and other such businesses that they deem inappropriate.

    Since when has hunting become an inappropriate activity?

    Ebay, PayPal, Amazon, Bing and Google also have editorial advertisement policies that are Anti-Gun. Google will gladly take your money on a pay pr click basis.

    If you yourself are anti-gun or just trolling, move on to another topic.
     
  4. lonyaeger

    lonyaeger New Member

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    Excuse me?

    Your last post before this one was in November, almost five months ago. So I suggest that maybe YOU are the troller, trying to drum up support for your little vendetta. Give me a break.
     
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  5. sigp250

    sigp250 New Member

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    Yes,

    If the shoe fits wear it.

    Do you have anything else to add?
     
  6. lonyaeger

    lonyaeger New Member

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    Yeah, I'm anti-gun. Boo-frickin-hoo for your little sour grapes issue.
     
  7. sigp250

    sigp250 New Member

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    Are you so obtuse that you can't understand the meaning of the message?

    This is not about my beef with a two bit "middle man" gateway.

    The meaning is that this is just one more example of the anti-gun movement that is upon us that infringe upon your Constitutional rights and mine.

    You apparently don't have the ability to see this.

    Others here will. That is why I said, move on if this topic is not for you.
     
  8. lonyaeger

    lonyaeger New Member

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    You haven't provided enough information. I'm not too obtuse to realize that there might be a whole lot more to this than meets the eye.

    But you're right, I'll move on, I'm bored.
     
  9. Dillinger

    Dillinger New Member

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    sigp250 - First and only warning. Lon is a member of this forum in good standing, is a Southern gentlemen and is one hell of a fine 2A advocate.

    What he is asking for, is more information to support your cause. Nothing less.

    It's a reasonable request.

    If you want the ample support of the FTF Community, one that ranks in the top 20 of "firearms websites" in the whole of the internet and ranks 11th in "Firearms and other Weapons" forums, I would tread a little lighter and with a little more respect.

    These fine men and women support the 2A, and they are willing to take up pen for any good cause, but insulting one of their own is not a great way to go about embracing them.

    Your choice.

    JD
     
  10. 556plinker

    556plinker New Member

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    They can choose who to do business with....so noted. Its just another entity gone politically correct. If they want to forego revenue at the expense of priciples big whoop, go somewhere else. Its pretty much a moot point to cry foul on this forum due to their lack of interest in serving our community. Screw'em and don't waste your time...its evident they don't care.
     
  11. JonM

    JonM Moderator

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    If they are dumb enough to block out a huge segment of their customer base that's their business. No matter how stupid it is. They have every right to do business with whom they please or not, just as you have a right to take your business else where. But there is no point to going off half-cocked.

    I don't think its unamerican to have the policy they have. Sounds like its one they have had for a long time and you ignored it and signed anyway or didn't bother to read TOS...
     
  12. sigp250

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    JD,

    My post was purely informational. Your forum does have an FFL section and that is where I posted.

    It is true, I don't have 8,000 posts but when I do write, I try to make my topics relevant. This topic may be considered general in nature from a 2A perspective but It is specific to FFL's and those who have questions about FFL's and the business.

    The responder has chosen to edit his responses and is now asking for more information in his revised posts.

    I responded to his original replies where no mention of a request tor additional information was made.

    I too like to think of myself as a gentleman. I am a respected NRA and
    NSSF member and Supporter.

    I have had the good fortune to be successful in my primary profession for 38 years. It has nothing to do with guns or sports, except sports stadiums.

    As a long time hunting, sports shooter. I had a vision to develop a Sportsman's outfitter business that caters to those who seek good service and exceptionally fair prices.

    This business model is simple and nearly the same as the profession that has allowed me the to venture into operating a firearms business.

    I have an excellent record of repeat business. This is not solely based on my prices. It has much to do about spending time with all customers how ever I can help them.

    Matter of fact, I have no problems with my banks either. I'm a preferred customer with good cash flow and an excellent credit rating.

    Every shop owner and every private business can deny service under most conditions without cause. That is their right and it should be respected.

    Shop owners also have same 2A rights that every law abiding citizen does.

    Guns are not for everyone just as any hobby or sport might not appeal to everyone.

    I'm sure you are aware that the NRA publishes a list of corporations, organizations and even a listing of celebrities who are anti-gun.

    They all have their reasons. Liability is always a good excuse for businesses and there is some merit and justification for their policies.

    At the same time, there is equal justification on behalf of those of us who wish to exercise our 2A rights and not support companies that want to see our rights taken from us.

    I hope this serves as fair additional information.
     
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  13. sigp250

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    Jon,

    This is exactly my point. There are other "middle man" gateways. I will have another tomorrow, maybe at a better rate.

    Besides my 2A rant, the post was to be informational for the FFL's that frequent this forum. Many small to medium firearms dealers use this company and may be no more aware of this obscure policy than I was. Except for this shocking policy revelation, I have found them to be a good company and have had no problems with their service.

    Will I recommend them to any merchant? NO
    Will I crusade to harm their business? NO

    It is only un-American if you think of every anti gun activist as one who is willing to give up rights of others to benefit themselves.
     
  14. lonyaeger

    lonyaeger New Member

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    Not true. I edited two posts because I needed to tone down my language. :eek:
     
  15. lonyaeger

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    Sure sounds like a crusade to me......."I have informed Power Pay of your anti American Gun policy and your infringement on the Constitutional Second Amendment rights of all Law abiding U.S. Citizens.

    Please be aware that the Federal Trade Commission will be informed of you actions to harm my business. The FTC does investigate cases such as this where a paid service provider suddenly changes policy or in your case, got around to reviewing my account after approving it two years ago.

    Rest assured that I will be doing my best to inform all 300,000 + Federally licensed gun dealers collectors in the U.S. That it is against your policy for them to be doing business with you and that they should terminate their agreement with Authorize.net and find another Merchant Gateway immediately.

    As a Courtesy, I will be sending all licensed dealers a list of Gun Friendly Merchant Services Gateways who do not impose unrealistic restrictions on legal U.S. businesses. This includes a mailing to every Sporting Goods retailer who also sells firearms or ammunition.

    My Case will also be brought before NRA-ILA. Millions of gun owners will want to be made aware of ANY merchant who does business with a company who engages in anti American policies that infringe on their Constitutional rights. There are over 4,000,000 NRA members and thousands of affiliates who will be informed of your policy.
     
  16. AusLach

    AusLach New Member

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    Hey Lon, how did you manage to edit your posts after the replies but make the timestamp look like you edited them before the replies were posted :confused:

    :rolleyes:
     
  17. lonyaeger

    lonyaeger New Member

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    I'm sure SigP250 has an explanation for that, Aus.
     
  18. sigp250

    sigp250 New Member

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    Quite simply. I was still writing to the moderator while you continued to fire.
     
  19. lonyaeger

    lonyaeger New Member

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    Oh, you mean you were telling on me? :eek:
     
  20. NGIB

    NGIB New Member

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    Somebody needs to...:D

    BTW, this company is not violating your rights - they are merely choosing who they do business with which is perfectly within their rights. I reckon their "powers that be" determined they can live without gun related business...
     
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