Why are the small percentage of bad LEO's allowed to continue

Discussion in 'Legal and Activism' started by partdeux, Jan 15, 2012.

  1. partdeux

    partdeux Well-Known Member

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    We've heard from LEO's that are tired of being bashed, but why are the very small percentage that give the rest a bad name allowed to continue?

    This really came to a head in my pea brain yesterday, when someone shared a story of being threatened by a police sgt, that if he did a perfectly legal open carry (MI), he would arrest him on the spot, because no citizen should be allowed to carry a firearm. OC is legal in MI, as is CC (when licensed). I have no reason to not believe the information he shared with me, but it is 3rd hand info.

    My underage daughter attended a HUGE party where the mostly teens were mostly drunk. She said the police had shown up twice. I know the chief and asked him why this party wasn't shut down and the home owners given a ticket. He actually called the officers on duty that night (small town) into his office, and they said there was no party, they was no record of anything happening at the house. The best part, I was indirectly sent a message from the homeowner to stay out of his business, because he was friends with the right people.

    I'm really not interested in bashing many of the fine LEO's that put their life on the line each and every day, but question why the small percentage aren't encouraged to find another line of work?
     
  2. trip286

    trip286 New Member

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    I think when authority figures like cops, day care workers, retirement home workers, and government officials (this is by no means a complete list) abuse their authority and cause harm to an individual, they should be hung in public.

    And for the record, I have a stronger dislike for people who abuse children and elderly, than I do for power tripping officers.
     

  3. bkt

    bkt New Member

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    Why do they continue working once they are proved corrupt or otherwise incompetent?

    1. The powers that be are too lazy and/or scared to make the effort to fire them.
    2. Someone is covering for them. Could be union, could be corporations, could be politicians.
    3. The powers that be are corrupt, too.

    More and more, it seems that law enforcement may not come down on your side no matter what the law says. LEOs have to figure which way they want to go on this. Will they stick to the rule of law, or will they go where their masters tell them to go?
     
  4. Jpyle

    Jpyle New Member

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    I tend to agree that the unions are mostly behind it. I also tend to believe that many hardworking, honest officers are just as fed up with the aholes that tarnish their image as we are but are just as powerless to get rid of them.
     
  5. gmaster456

    gmaster456 New Member

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    I hate it when I hear about this sort of corruption. And when its high up as the Sergent (or higher), there's not much you can do about it.
     
  6. c3shooter

    c3shooter Administrator Staff Member

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    Old saying- a community gets the police dept it deserves.

    And vice versa.


    I am fortunate- live in a rural area, good Sheriff's Dept. If it was not, would send Sheriff packing at the next election.

    If you have a problem with your PD, the head reports to SOMEONE that is elected. Find out who, and fire his azz. Next election.
     
  7. gwk4667

    gwk4667 New Member

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    As long as we are human there will be problems - - - I feel we are made aware of them more now and I feel many of the old problems that prevailed for decades are not as prevelant.

    I still have hope for our legal system in the United States ( and much of the world) but it will take a trip to heaven to have everything right and while I'm ready at any time I also selfish enough to want to spend more time here with my grand kids!
     
  8. Axxe55

    Axxe55 The Apocalypse Is Coming.....

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    there are always bad apples in every bunch. problem is, that we tend to here about the bad behaviour more than the good sometimes. these are the stories that grab attention, everyones attention. corruption has existed for as long as man has been on earth. there are always those who will abuse their power and seek an easy way to make money, at the behest of others.

    IMO, those caught abusing their power need to be held accountable for their actions, and prosecuted at the severest level of punishment. departments and prosecutors need to send a message, that this behaviour will not be tolerated in any form and those caught will be convicted to the full extent of the law. if the powers to be won't or can't enforce this type of action, then they need to be replaced with those who will. if the common criminal is to convicted for breaking the law, and they should be, so should the person who represents and supposedly enforces the the law who breaks it too. anytime someone who wears a badge is fired for abusing his power or breaks the laws he is suppose to enforce, he should be at the very least stripped of any right to ever have a job in law enforcement.
     
  9. robocop10mm

    robocop10mm Lifetime Supporting Member Lifetime Supporter

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    OK, I think your examples are a far cry from "bad". The first one is a douche with a different opinion about guns. He is certainly a douche and needs to be retrained and properly supervised. The second is small town politics that has very little to do with LE or "bad" officers. It is a fact of life in every subset of every small town in America from trash collection to permitting to policing. Money and connections talk.

    I thought you were going to discuss "bad" officers. Ones that rape arrestee,beat minorities, steal money, perjure themselves. etc. I am disgusted at the number of cases like these are simply kicked down the road to some other agency to deal with. There are some real criminals wearing uniforms that should be in jail, not licensed to be Peace Officers. In my 27 years in the business, I have only seen a small handful prosecuted for their misdeeds. I know of dozens that are allowed to resign and go to workl with other agencies. When they show up at a scene I am at, they are asked to leave.
     
  10. JTJ

    JTJ Well-Known Member Supporter

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    I remember a small town in CA a long time ago that was totally corrupt. The police chief recruited officers that had been fired from other agencies. It was a speed trap and the officers were on commission. The chief drove a Rolls Royce. The town had card rooms and the cops would arrest, beat and roll the big winners. How did they know?:rolleyes: The mayor and town officials owned the card rooms. They rolled and beat the wrong guy one time. A number of the local cops were found almost beaten to death and it was done by professionals.
    This was an exception but it did happen and could happen again. Almost all of the police I known have been decent family men. The only time I have had a bad experience with the police was when I was hit in a cross walk by a hit and run driver. The cop that arrived on the scene wanted to drag me off the street. I had to tell him I was not moving until the ambulance moved me as I knew I was hurt. They had a description of the vehicle with 4 numbers of the plate and would not do anything. I was not a resident. DMV wanted $4k to run the series which the police could have done for free.
     
  11. PrimePorkchop

    PrimePorkchop New Member

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    Some will disagree with me, but to me, it depends on the "corruption" you're talking about. I'm not one to sympathize with criminals, and actually view officers who are willing to "bend reality" a little bit to make sure a crook gets what's coming to them with high regard.

    Some would call it corruption, or fighting fire with fire. I call it fighting fire with compressed carbon dioxide, water, and foam.

    But when it boils down to a LEO using his or her power to extort or terrorize innocent people, then I agree, it's time for them to go. As for why *some* of them don't (because a lot really do get fired) my only guess is because the line between "corrupt" and "justified disregard" was quite blurry.

    But thats just my .02
     
  12. BullseyePrecision

    BullseyePrecision New Member

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    I live in a small community also and we have had some not so good sheriffs and they didnt last long.
     
  13. alsaqr

    alsaqr Well-Known Member Supporter

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    Because the police unions and the good cops stand up for the bad cops.
     
  14. tiberius10721

    tiberius10721 New Member

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    I personally despise the criminal justice system because I dont think it is hard enough on child molestors ,gang members and illegals. Personally I believe that if the common citizen would rise up and deal with the scum walking around that we could do a much better job. Im tired of paying taxes and seeing gang members everywhere I go here in Ca. I couldnt make it as a cop because if I arrested some of these people I would be to tempted to pull my patrol car over and bury them. Criminal justice system has turned into a catch and release business. As far as bad cops go they are always going to be around because they are just people and only God is perfect. Now days I follow the speed limit and all the laws as well as I can because I hate giving the govt any of my money. I refuse to donate any money to the Sherrifs dept as long as all these scumbags are walking around. I vote with my wallet.
     
  15. PrimePorkchop

    PrimePorkchop New Member

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    That's because people like you, me, and millions of others (the majority demographic in this country) have set by idle while zealous liberal bastards have shoved their agenda in the scene.

    We set by silently while the squeaky wheel go the grease, and now we only scream foul at the outcome.

    It will take the common man (and woman) to stand up to such idiot ideals BEFORE they take effect if we ever hope to have a more peaceful society.

    Lawfulness is a product of consequence. Without consequence, people will do as they please...and that's what we have today.
     
  16. willshoum

    willshoum New Member

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    Fork in the road........

    It's called the Brother Hood...... If you want an honest Cop, Look in the mirror and see IF you qualify......If you need a cop in a hurry and more than one, just say cop down when you call 911.....:eek:
     
  17. Vikingdad

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    We frequently hear about the bad apples (that Canton officer who threatened a CC citizen and got fired for it is one who comes to mind) but we rarely hear about the cop who let you go for driving 15 MPH over the limit. Or not coming to a full stop at the stop sign. I once was stopped late at night for blowing through a stop sign without even slowing down. He let me off. Why? Because I didn't rip into him for pulling me over. It was in a rural and unlighted location, 4-way stop, not a single vehicle in view. The officer was blacked out in a private road not visible from my direction of approach. I was polite and stated the facts and when he said "My vehicle was on the road." I replied with "No, sir, you were parked with your lights out on Indian Road, not mobile." He may have stopped me to see if I was drunk and was satisfied with my response (and the fact that I was not drunk).
     
  18. robocop10mm

    robocop10mm Lifetime Supporting Member Lifetime Supporter

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    Just a little jaded? Calling in a false report is a crime. You are advocating committing a crime to get the kind of response you desire?
     
  19. winds-of-change

    winds-of-change The Balota's Staff Member

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    I live in a small town. When I first moved here we had a terrible police department. The chief was lazy and lax on his officers any pretty much let them do what they wanted. I asked to be appointed to the Fire and Police Commission in my town. I wanted to know the officers better and be a part of the hiring process. We went through 2 bad chiefs then we finally got a decent knowledgeable mayor (not just the most popular guy in town) and we got a very good, well educated, intelligent Chief of Police who wrote standards of behaviour and enforces them. All complaints are followed up and there have been times officers have been suspended for bad behaviour. I am quite proud of what our department had become over the years.


    Genoa Police Department

    (Check out Officer Klink. He is a Colonel of 2nd Battalion 24th Marines. And once he saved me from a very bad situation.)
     
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  20. willshoum

    willshoum New Member

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    Jaded......

    Tell me it's not true, and yes I know it's a false report......Here in the parrish I have the Constables cell phone # If I need a deputy in a hurry when he is on duty......The officers here really take their time answering calls......