Why are Salesmen so Stupid ?

Discussion in 'The Club House' started by BigO01, Aug 28, 2008.

  1. BigO01

    BigO01 New Member

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    Sitting in my room this evening on the computer when I hear my dog going nuts at the front of the house , not just barking but snarling and growling which usually means a kids friend has shown up with one of their friends in tow the dog doesn't know .

    Well after about two minutes he is still at it which under the normal circumstances above he shuts up once they are let in by one of my kids or at least he quiets down to a low rumble , so I get up and go in there and I find my daughter holding him by his collar with the door open and him lunging at the screen door and making slight progress with each lunge .

    I get around behind my daughter and the dog so I can see who's at the door and and I see a well dressed young man and the dog senses me and lowers the sound of his growling but not stopping it or his lunging at the guy .

    I can finally understand what is being said and realize the dummy is from the cable company trying to get us to sign up for their Internet and TV service "We have DSL and Dish TV" and my daughter is reluctantly playing 20 questions with him as the dog is slowly dragging her closer to the moron .

    Our storm door doesn't have screen it's all glass so he is holding the door open to talk to my daughter so the dog can most certainly get to him if he pulls loose from her and with him being about a 90LB animal you would think the fool would be a bit concerned for his safety but no not at all .

    I had to step up grab the dog and as he's asking another question cut him off and tell him we weren't interested and slam the door in his face to get the tard to leave .

    Then my daughter looks at me and says she told him that at the start but he just ignores her and keeps on talking , Don't know how many times I've told her she doesn't have to be polite to strangers at the door and to slam it in their faces and you're not even obligated to answer it in the first place , I swear it's a female thing .

    I don't know what these kids get paid but it can't be enough nor come with health insurance and with a dog that large snarling and lunging for you , one would think a little light would come on and he would go to another home .

    What really burns my butt if the dog had bitten him I bet I would get tagged with a doctor bill when the little jerk wasn't invited on the property and obviously had plenty of warning to leave .
     
  2. bkt

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    If this guy were smarter, do you think he'd be going door-to-door annoying people with his sales pitch?

    Sales weenies in electronics stores and big home improvement stores are usually just as useless. They take up space and give you a blank stare when you ask them a question they should be able to answer....
     

  3. cpttango30

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    What more needs to be said.

    I will say one thing. When I was working at Home Depot I was not useless. I would do what ever it took to help the customer. I was about the only one doing this in my store and they wonder why business dropped by 40% the year before when Lowes opened down the street.
     
  4. Musket

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    Just a side note---home invaders/scammers sometimes dress up as someone from a company, so please be very careful.

    When I was in college, my close friend and her roomates were attacked and robbed. They were living in an apartment building (known college student rental place--so good target for scammers).

    They had a knock at the door one day, and a man in coveralls and cap with clipboard said there was a gas leak. He claimed to be from the company, and said he needed to check their apartment to see if it was there. They let him in and walked away--never once thinking he could be dangerous.

    He walked into the kitchen, grabbed a kitchen knife from the counter, and then attacked them. He tied them up, and proceeded to ransack the place.

    The good news--aside from being severely traumatized, and sporting some nasty brusies and scrapes,they were not seriously harmed. He did however get away with their cash, passports and other valuable items.

    The three college girls were an easy mark, and they did not stop to question him further. My first question to my friend (when she was calm enough a few days later so that I could chastize her) was WHY you let someone in who was checking the gas--when you have radiators and OIL heat???

    Come to find out, this was not the first time this had happened in their area, although to my knowledge this scum was never caught.

    My husband works for a utility company. They are required to carry and SHOW their ID.

    Anyway, did not want to hijack your thread. I just wanted to share some info which might be important to someone later. ALWAYS ask for ID, and never assume a person is from wherever. Its easy to fool people.....and I would rather accidentally be rude to someone, then find myself being the victim of a crime.

    And--a person who does not at least keep a safe distance from barking dog, sets off a bell in my head. There are evil people in this world--never be complacent.... :(
     
  5. Musket

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    oh, I forgot to add--also be very aware of social phishing.

    This is an easy way for scammers to get important information fom you without you knowing.

    Example--said "salesman".

    Well--we can come anytime to install between 9 am and 3 pm M-F
    Response: we would not be available, we both work.
    salesman: we could offer you a package for HD TV and special meg million connections...
    response-we already have a big screen HD--so no, we dont want all that.

    You just told him that you are not home during the day, and have a big screen tv/expense equipment. Its not your SSN, but if this is a career thief, you just invited him to steal your stuff.

    This happens--so be careful.
     
  6. robocop10mm

    robocop10mm Lifetime Supporting Member Lifetime Supporter

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    Dogs have an inate ability to sniff out evil doers. Trust the dog and send the salesman packing. Teach the kids to trust the dog. In most states you are responsible for injury caused by your animal that is not restrained. If the dog had gotten away from your daughter and bitten the guy, you would pay (in more ways than one). Even if the dog is chained or fenced and breaks away from the restraint, you are liable. If the guy cam in uninvited and got bitten, he is on his own (generally speaking).
     
  7. BigO01

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    Thanks Musket thats exactly the kind of info that always needs to be posted for a thread like this .

    Just a FYI I know all that and have tried to impress it upon her and the boys , the only thing I can figure is they perhaps have a false sense of security with the dog and guns we have and everyone including her knowing how to use them .

    I've managed to raise them in a far better neighborhood than I spent my first 10 years of life in and not seeing and experiencing crime I suppose makes a person live in a state of disbelief to a certain degree .

    Robo one question will posting a No tresspassing sign help as a defense in a case like this if the dog had gotten away and attacked him on the porch .

    I had been told many years ago it would but laws may have changed since then .

    Honestly I think something is seriously wrong when a criminal casing homes could take a job like this just to gather information on them and just waltz on your property anytime they please even ignoring No Tresspassing and No soliciting Signs .

    After all how many Police will even check into a bite victims story of being a legit saleman as he is considered a victim at that point .
     
  8. Squirrel

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    How would you find out the law in a case like this? To my knowledge, asking a lawyer can be expensive since they tend to value their time at over $200 an hour.
     
  9. BillM

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    Salesmen------ignorance and stupidity

    Politicians----------dishonesty and arrogance

    It's genetic. They can't help it, they were born that way. They do tend to inter-breed,
    so the qualities sometimes blend.
     
  10. bkt

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    Consumer---------???????

    Electorate---------???????

    (Just sayin')
     
  11. dragunovsks

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    I would hate to be in such a pinch with money that I would have to resort to going door-to-door and attemping to sell things, I understand that it's just someone doing thier job but most of those guys are too damn pushy. Car saleman are about the worst of them all.
     
  12. JPBeck

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    The worst are Time Share sales people.
     
  13. Musket

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    It depends on state law, and town ordinances. You may want to do a quick internet search--most states & towns are online now, and frequently you can find your laws & ordinances there. I'm not an attorney (although I work with a lot of legislation) so I don't want to give you wrong advice. My assumption is that a No Tresspassing sign could not hurt even if its not all that effective, because it does give you something to point out.

    As an aside, in my state-CT, we had a horrific home invasion/murder last year. People sometimes think I am paranoid because I do simple things to protect myself--don't leave keys in car, always have my phone handy etc, but these things do happen everyday.....

    I added the story below. To everyone: this was a random attack---the two scums waited in a parking lot for victims. Mrs Petit and her daughters went shopping at the local grocery store, and they followed her home--from the parking lot! They simply watched them and figured they would make good victims...

    They waited until dark and broke into the house. They spent all night beating and terrorizing the family. They raped & strangled Mrs Petit, and then raped her two young daughters---then poured gasoline over everything and burned the house down--the daughters were tied to the bed and died in the fire. Mr Petit--severly beaten, managed to escape his ropes and got out of the house as it went up.......

    See the entire story here: http://www.courttv.com/news/2007/0807/komisarjevsy_ctv.html

    Read it and realize that this was in a nice neighborhood, on a regular day and nice well respected people. Its truly heartbreaking... :(

    NOTE---as they set the house on fire--the Police were outside waiting--the police did not act in time to save the family.
     
  14. dragunovsks

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    Oh yeah, I forgot about those time share people. My wife and I went to Gatlinburg in May for our honeymoon and we couldn't walk 50 yards without being stopped by someone wanting to let us stay in a 5-star hotel for a week so they could waste 10 hours trying to talk us into buying a $100,000 time share. I finally told the woman that I make $12.50/hr and drive a 20 year old truck and that we weren't interested.
     
  15. dunerunner

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    Hadn't read the news release before my post!! My bad! Dr. Petit should be given at least two hours alone with each of the convicts with a 4' piece of 3/4" black iron pipe and a blow torch!
     
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    Straight out of a Charles Bronson movie! Too bad there aren't any modern day Charles Bronson's...televised executions might help.
     
  17. Dillinger

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    There is nothing wrong with being cautious and ever vigiliant.


    That is a truly horrific story. Makes you wonder what drives some people to do such a thing. Those guys shouldn't even have been given a trial. If the police caught them coming out of the place, they should have just strung them up, or shot them down, right there in front of the Channel 5 news cameras....:(

    JD
     
  18. JPBeck

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    I woke in a cold sweat last night-- that true story gave me one of the worst nightmares I've had in while. Those two guys are monsters--- evil.

    Next time someone asks me why my 1911 is never far out of reach when I'm home-- I'll just refer them to this story. Scares me even though we live out here in the sticks, and in a nice area-- there are monsters like this all over (and the numbers grow every year)I can't imagine how that Dr. can go on, I bet he wishes he had died with his family. Poor guy.

    The green needle is not punishment enough for those SOB's-- come to think of it there's no punishment enough for those guys (until they get to hell).
     
  19. Musket

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    They bring these guys to court in bullet proof vests and with a huge police escort in order to protect them. The angry throngs would rip them apart if they ever got the chance. In this case--there is NO question of guilt, they were caught red handed escaping from the scene, video survelliance got them at the bank in her car, and Dr petit identified them.

    These creeps broke into a home-bludgeoned the husband in his bed, terrorized/beat the entire family all night, took the wife out to the bank in the morning and forced her to withdraw all the cash, stopped by the gas station on the way back to buy gasoline to ignite the fire, then ended with raping and strangling the wife, beating Mr Petit to near death with a bat, then raped the little girls (they were CHILDREN) and set their beds on fire and left them to die from the flames.

    These are not human beings, and they deserve to be crushed to death under a steam roller.....:mad::mad:

    There are those people who say call the police, don't own a gun. Well--the police were right OUTSIDE as the children were suffocating in the smoke.

    It still boggles my mind. :(
     
  20. Musket

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    One of the partners at my eye doctors office asked me the following week, if I could bring in the Keltec that I carry. I brought the keltec and my 38 snub (which I also sometimes carry) to show him.

    He knew the Petit family and was scared to death by what had happened--he lives not far away.

    He wanted to know all about carry guns and permits.....

    Dr petit was attacked in his home, in his bed, by two men with a baseball bat.....would a firearm have made a difference? I don't know, but I know I want to at least have a chance at defending myself.

    Now--this goes on. A few months later, two women were attacked as they had coffee on Sunday morning. A woman went over to her friends house for morning coffee on an ordinary day. A recently released convict was hanging around and saw her. He kicked in the front door--shot one in the stomach and kidnapped the other. Then he stole the car, and dragged the woman with him.

    She was found in the dirt--murdered later in the day. The police had been looking for her all day, and had a description of the shooter and the car.

    This is true--read it here: http://www.topix.net/content/cbs/2008/03/missing-womans-body-found-after-ct-home-invasion

    Two nice women having coffee at home in broad daylight--attacked and one killed--randomly.

    Then, a few months after that, an elderly man was attacked in his home and killed....for the cash on hand and his car.

    This is happening repatedly to normal people in average neighborhoods.

    No liberal anti-gunner is going to convince me that it can't happen to me, or that the police will save me if I am attacked. Its clear the police could not have done a thing about what happened in the above situations.... :mad: