Who gets in?

Discussion in 'Survival & Sustenance Living Forum' started by clr8ter, Oct 13, 2012.

  1. Yes, both

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  2. No, neither

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  3. Just the DOC

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  4. Depends, maybe this blind person had other valuable skills, it's up for evaluation.

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  1. clr8ter

    clr8ter New Member

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    I know this has been discussed, but not in this way that I've seen or recall;

    I fully understand and agree that you could not "save" everybody, and that everyone who would be part of the group had better bring something to the table. BUT....would just being able-bodied and willing to work and learn be enough? I ask because I know a few couples where one of the 2 has an extremely usefull skill, the other does not. Specifically, one is an RN, the other is an ex Army Ranger. Her husband and his wife is a bicycle tech., and teacher. Not to knock teachers or bike techs or anything, but would this count as being qualified for entrance? Lets say that changed to a doctor who had a blind SO. How about then? I am also not dissing blind people, my father is legally blind, that's why I chose this example. Now, I ask because I do not know how I'd react. On the one hand, I fully agree that everyone has to pull their weight. On the other, how could I ever put someone out to (possibly) die? Don't know if I could.

    In addition, I would like to know what could be done about putting together a group of people, when one has no trusted friends or family who is like-minded? I feel that the very best I could accomplish would be to get everyone to agree on one place to meet if anything ever went down. There is no money to prep for some of them, and for others there is no drive. (The Govt. will surely save us.)
     
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  2. undumb

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    Everyone can help the community. They could cook, clean, pull weeds, etc. in some cases like your father, the community would have to pull together and take care of him. I don't have a problem taking care of those that cant but, i refuse to help those that choose not to contribute, I think everybody is eligible until they prove themselves otherwise.
     

  3. trip286

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    Exactly. Even if you have a blind lady who can't do anything but sweep the floor, it's worth it in exchange for a doctor and to free another set of more capable hands, IMHO.
     
  4. dog2000tj

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    anybody with a skill and willing to lend a hand in anyway would be a worthwhile addition ;)
     
  5. HockaLouis

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    Reminds me of a riddle from HIGHLIGHTS when I was a little boy...

    There's a bad accident. The father and son are critically hurt and rushed to the hospital. The surgeon looks at the first patient and says "oh my God, I can't operate on this boy, he's my son." How is this possible?

    Answer: the doctor is his mother.

    This made perfect sense once. I found it funny how at least Trip is a little stuck in that past. Anyway, the answer to the poll is not one of the choices...

    Take only the blind girlfriend.

    ;)
     
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  6. Shade

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    My son goes to school with a blind girl. She is in class with every other kid.
    Yes some extra help if provided via an aid, but she is expected to keep up
    and does, she is regularly on the High Honor roll. She also competes in
    Cross Country. Blindness or other handicaps are not always hinderances.

    Skills have value but personal attitude is more important. A strong moral
    compass, ethic, and the willingness to contribute is more important than
    education.

    That's my opinion.
     
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  7. Vikingdad

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    As long as they both are willing to contribute to the group in whatever way they can they would both be welcome. The person who would not be welcome is the lazy slob who just taxes resources without contributing anything. That person could be my own brother. If he isn't going to contribute at least enough to support himself then adios hermano.

    Here's how I see it. A doctor in a small group like what I envision would not be doctoring very much (a medic might be a better person to have). Doctors tend to be specialists in certain areas. Say you got a neurosurgeon (one of my best friends is one) he is not going to be able to practice his specialty in a SHTF scenario unless you have a full surgical staff and a hospital in your group as well.

    Heck, I would put my money on the blind gal being more useful than the doctor.
     
  8. clr8ter

    clr8ter New Member

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    Well, I was imagining a General practitioner, actually. And we really do have an RN in the family. I agree, those skills would be highly beneficial.

    Those are some good answers. Makes me feel better that the general consensus would be that being able bodied and willing is enough. And I never thought about the freeing up of more skilled hands part. Also a good point, trip.
     
  9. shadamai

    shadamai New Member

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    As long as the blind person is willing to do fair share of the work, I would let them both in. And honestly, I would not want a doctor who was willing to turn his back on his S.O. to be a part of the group. The blind person may be able to teach the group some valuable skills: using other senses and memory to navigate the area quickly and quietly at night, noticing and using sounds that others might overlook, etc.
     
  10. stoppingpower

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    Some blind people are far more aware then someone who has sight. Let em in!
     
  11. HockaLouis

    HockaLouis New Member

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    I like these threads -- it's like Dungeon & Dragons for firearms enthusiasts.
    Using The Force and living the dream;
    Louis
     
  12. Axxe55

    Axxe55 The Apocalypse Is Coming.....

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    just because someone is blind or has a handicap, doesn't mean they don't have skills that could be useful. there are many handicapped people who function in society everyday and are more beneficial than many who claim disability just because they are lazy. also think of it this way, a person who has a handicap has learned to adapt and overcome. i think that willpower and mindset would be assets to a group just because of positive morale.
     
  13. Vikingdad

    Vikingdad New Member

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    Yeah, but being night guard every night would get old!
     
  14. Axxe55

    Axxe55 The Apocalypse Is Coming.....

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    that's true! but they could always teach others how to be more in tune with their senses and be more effective.
     
  15. Vikingdad

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    I was more thinking of my brother, who is a, MD/GP. He is a good doctor and all according to many of his patients but when it comes to practical everyday stuff he is left somewhat lacking. I wouldn't exclude him and his family by any means (none of them are blind or anything) because collectively all of them would bring something to the table. His education as a Doctor would not be the reason for including him (and/or his family) though, even discounting entirely him being my brother.

    The way I see it is if one picks and chooses among people as to whom shall be included you are losing sight of the BIG PICTURE, which is that the larger a community is, the stronger it is (within reason of course). I would more have the attitude that as people come and want to join, the community gets expanded, merging with and/or taking up nearby land and other groups in order to accommodate the new additions. With numbers comes strength. A group leadership that accepts a doctor with a blind wife might very well be more highly respected by the other members of the group than one that turns away one or both of them. If you turn them away do you then also turn away a young family? The babies would be using up resources and unable to pull their own weight. I, for one, would accept the whole family, because who doesn't fight a little stronger when there is a baby around? Plus I like babies! They are one of the truly wonderful things in life.

    The smaller groups will eventually be squeezed out by my ever growing group. The difficult part would be maintaining cohesive leadership with a growing population.
     
  16. clr8ter

    clr8ter New Member

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    Yeah, Nitro, I remember that thread, it was a good one. The more I think about it, the more it seems that the only people to exclude would be the lazy "welfare" types.
     
  17. Axxe55

    Axxe55 The Apocalypse Is Coming.....

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    i agree with that!

    i have an older sister who is married to a deadbeat and she works three jobs and takes care of their two boys. if a situation such as this were to occur, my sister and my nephews would be allowed to enter and i would throw my lazy deadbeat BIL to the wolves without a second thought!
     
  18. clr8ter

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  19. Zombiegirl

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    I don't trust anyone but Fathead. We have discussed this already and we will be on our own. We could go to my family's farm but eventually there would be a breakdown and I would not want to be with a large group of people. I also feel only Fathead would be concerned with my well being.