Which would u purchase?

Discussion in 'AR-15 Discussion' started by geo110, Nov 20, 2012.

  1. geo110

    geo110 New Member

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    I am a suburbanite single father that's waiting for all hell to break loose. When it does, it's not going to be pretty. I think we all know what I'm talking about. With that said, I'm looking to stock up with ammo and firepower. At present I own a 40 Baratta semi auto pistol, and a Mosburg 9+ one pistol grip tactical shotgun. I am looking to add a semi automatic rifle. Between all of the flavors available, is an AR 15 sufficient. By that, I mean At 1000 yards I can waste just about anything. I wasn't sure if I should move up from the standard 223/556 to a higher caliber? I realize it and low cost comes into play. I would be looking to have a minimum of six mags holding a minimum of 28 to 30. Also I would like to incorporate a medium grade scope, Possibly a 1 x 30. When it comes down to it, I don't want to have any doubts in my mind that this will do the job. Please keep in mind that price is a huge factor in my decision. I've seen the price ranges from $400 to $1800. I appreciate your time, and effort. I thank you in advance. Geo.
     
  2. Quentin

    Quentin New Member

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    Why not read the AR Primer and soak up all the info you can. You're all over the place in that post, need to do more reading for now.
     

  3. canebrake

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    Get/build a 5.56 AR and put a 3x9 scope on it.

    If you are asking this type of question, you're NOT a 1,000 yd shooter! [​IMG]
     
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  4. texaswoodworker

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    If you want something that will make it out to 1000 yards (accurately), it's going to cost you, and you may have to settle for a bolt action. Look into rounds like 30-06 (not the best choice for 1000 yard shots, but it's possible), 338 win mag, .300 win mag, .338 Lapua, .300 WSM, .50 BMG, ect.

    .223/5.56 can make it out to 1000 yards, but it's not the best round for the job.

    :Note don't pick up something like a 30-06 hunting rifle and expect it to be a 1000 yard shooter. You need a really good, heavy barrel, a really good scope, and a LOT of skill.

    If your wanting a guns for SHTF, a 5.56 AR-15 will work just fine. In a SHTF situation, your not going to be making 1000 kill shots, your going to be lying low, trying to say safe and alive. If you do end up needing to protect yourself, it would likely be close quarters combat. If you intend to hunt, most kills would be made between 100-300 yards, which a good AR could do pretty well as long as the game isn't too big.

    Now for the AR itself. Look into something like a Bravo Company Manufacturing (BCM), Palmetto State Armory (PSA), S&W, or a Colt. They all make great ARs, and the prices range from $600-$700, to $1500+
     
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  5. AgentTikki

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    I BEG TO DIFFER!

    You can go 1000 yards with a .223, but its gonna be a real custom build. just put a upper with 24" match grade barrel and hand load some 90 gr vlds, and get yourself some real good glass.

    Honestly tho, skip the custom build. Sit back and ask yourself if you are willing to dedicate yourself to long distance shooting. Its a skill that requires a lot of time and practice. Get yourself a 18 or 20" with a good thick barrel. Get some practice at 200-300 yard (short distance) using cheap ammo. Once you get good enough, step up to 400 to 500 yards (intermediate distance) with match ammo. Then once you master that, go long (500+), and you'll probably have to make some changes, like a longer barrel and better glass.
     
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  6. texaswoodworker

    texaswoodworker New Member

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    What kind of grouping would that give you?
     
  7. TDS92A

    TDS92A New Member Supporter

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    At the risk of getting the stuffing stomped out of me by some of the folks on here I am going to recommend a nice AK.

    I bought mine for just over $600. The ammo is readily available and cheap and you do not have to worry about it getting dirty and jamming at the wrong time.

    Since I bought it, I have made some upgrades to it like putting a compensator, a 4 power scope, a set of folding bipods, and an ATI stock kit on it. A total of $188.00 in upgrades.

    Choice is yours. :D

    P.S. When the SHTF moment happens, your targets are going to be in the 400 yard range and coming fast.



     
  8. texaswoodworker

    texaswoodworker New Member

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    ^ Definetly not a 1000 yard gun. :p
     
  9. silverado113

    silverado113 New Member

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    It will and does.
     
  10. texaswoodworker

    texaswoodworker New Member

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    What? 5.56 making it out to 1000 yards? I never realized it could. I don't think it would be the best round for the job though.

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  11. TDS92A

    TDS92A New Member Supporter

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    Nor is it intended to be. That is the job of my PSL-54C. :D


     
  12. AgentTikki

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    What kind of grouping do you expect at 1000 yards?

    I expect these guys are getting sub moa accuracy what with all the time and moeny they are investing.

    Here's a guy doing 1/4 moa, but with a bolt action .223
    http://www.gunsamerica.com/blog/ultimate-sniper-rifle-3-inches-at-1000-yards-tactical-rifles/

    3 inch groups at 1000 yards? um yeah that's crazy. Lots of ARs are capable of 1/2 moa, that'd be 5 inch groups at 1000 yards.

    Even with a bench vise, I don't think I could do that.
     
  13. rhyno13

    rhyno13 New Member

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    I would get a Ruger mini 14 over an AR
     
  14. AgentTikki

    AgentTikki New Member

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    I'd get a Scar over a mini 14.
     
  15. tsully85

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    An AR is a great choice for a SHTF rifle and they can be accurate to 1000 yards, but if you want a good, solid, reliable rifle that's useful up close and is definately at least area accurate at a 1000 yards but still packs a punch, get an M1A. Throw whatever kinda optic you like on it, not even necessary if you ask me, other than that no mods really needed.
     
  16. TDS92A

    TDS92A New Member Supporter

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    Great range, limited ammo, an all around nice rifle. I support this choice as well, but I still prefer my AK. :D


     
  17. Rick1967

    Rick1967 Well-Known Member

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    How much damage is a 223 going to do at 1000 yards? I am thinking that when I was in basic they told us that the max effective range of an M16 was 600 meters.
     
  18. TDS92A

    TDS92A New Member Supporter

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    With all due respect, the M16A1 & A2 has a maximum effective range of 300 meters (328.1 yards). If I had to guess at the damage, I would say that you would hit the target and piss it off. maybe a loyal .223 (5.56mm) shooter will chime on this. :D

     
  19. tsully85

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    lol pretty much. If I had to guess I'd say a 5.56 would hit about as hard at a 1000 yards as a .22LR does at a 100 yards. Potentially accurate, but pointless. And yeah, I wouldn't count on a 5.56 putting a critter on it's ass past 300, but it still aint gonna feel too good at 5 or 6.
     
  20. AgentTikki

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    IIRC the fragmentation range of a 5.56 M193 is approximately 175 yards for a 16", 150 yards for 14.5" barrels

    I don't recall range for a 20" barrel.

    Anything beyond these ranges will result in a .22 caliber hole in the target, unless you have projectiles specifically designed to expand..