Which Rail to go with?

Discussion in 'AR-15 Discussion' started by clue, Oct 18, 2012.

  1. clue

    clue New Member

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    Hello everyone I am an avid reader but rarely post on here. I recently finished an AR build and am curious as to which rail to start saving up for. I used this forum to help plan my build. I have a BCM CHF LWMidlength 16'' upper on a Spikes tactical stripped lower with a PSA LPK. I have a Magpul CTR stock, Magpul backup sight and a Magpul Handguard on it at the moment.

    I don't really want to go with a quad rail because I don't see myself ever needing to add a bunch of unneccesary gear and I think it would be uncomfortable to handle. The only think I can see me eventually wanting is maybe a light. I don't have any optic at the moment and probably won't for quite awhile until I master my trusty Iron sights. I want to let you know my setup and my possible future set up so you can best guide me to the correct rail im looking for.

    Right now I am looking at the Troy Alpha Rail or Troy Vtac Alpha. I like the fact that it is basically round with a rail on top. I am not sure which length would best fit my needs though. 11'', 13.8'', or 15''. 15'' seems like it would be to long and would have to sth with my front sight post, and i would rather keep that. So I guess my questions are: Are these good rails? Which length would be best? Are they pretty lightweight? I am more that open to suggestions on a different rail that would seem to fit my needs the most. Thanks in advance everybody.
     
  2. clue

    clue New Member

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  3. LongBaller71

    LongBaller71 New Member

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    Nice build.


    I would recommend the MI SS Gen2 free float rail. Matches just about everything you described as wanting.


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  4. clue

    clue New Member

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    Thank you. Would you recommend this one over the Troy Vtac Alpha Rail?

    http://www.bravocompanyusa.com/Troy...a-11-Inch-Model-p/vtac troy strx-eli-e0bv.htm

    Also, I want to go as long as possible without having to remove my Front sight post. I am at a buddys house watching the Playoffs right now or else I would measure it. Do you know how long I can go? I'm assuming no more than 12'' for sure.

    How hard are these type of rails to install?
     
  5. X-mark

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    7" on a carbine, 9" on a mid-length

    If you want a rail that extends beyond the FSB, then you can look into Samson Mfg.

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  6. clue

    clue New Member

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    Thank you that looks like it might be a better option for me. I went ahead and signed up for an alert for when it comes in stock in case I decide to go with that.

    Would it look dumb if I went with sth like the MI SS Gen 2 or Troy Vtac Alpha in 9'' and had it butted up to the front sight post? Do people normally like to keep their FSP or am I weird in that regard. I am not dead set on anything. I would be open to removing it if need be.
     
  7. ZeusEcho

    ZeusEcho Member Lifetime Supporter

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    Th MI and Troy you are looking at are 1 piece rails so you'll need to remove (or chop) the FSB to install them. If you want to keep the FSB you'll need to get a 2 piece rail like the Centurion C4. They also make a 2 piece C4 that extends under the FSB and looks great. They are really sweet rails, I have the 10" C4 on my BCM middy with lo-pro gas block.

    I also just got the 9" Troy Vtac Alpha for another middy and although I haven't installed it yet, I can tell I'm really gonna like it. Very light and compact, and looks killer with great t-marks along the top.

    Some of the BCM taper pins in the FSB are very difficult to remove. I had to send mine to Adco, great service from those guys BTW, highly recommend them.

    Good luck, whichever way you decide to go.

    And yeah...nice build!
     
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  8. X-mark

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    A 9" rail does not look bad to me, but you can be the judge for yourself...this is a Noveske 9" NSR Rail on a midlength with FSB.

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    Also, Zues is right...you will need to remove the FSB to install any of these "tube" rails. Here is the Centurion Arms rail he is talking about...and it is indeed a sweet rail!

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  9. okdonk

    okdonk New Member

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    That's one good looking AR u got there. My next build will be with Magpul MOE handguard, kinda broke real bad right now :). Check out Daniel Defense rails.. they are light and very good! And very easy to install too.
     
  10. clue

    clue New Member

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    I hear ya. I'm pretty broke myself right now. I need stop browsing PSAs website and others. I already have another lower on backorder (just in case). I also ordered another lpk from PSA and replacement pin set. I didn't want to spend $7 on shipping for the pin set which was like $10 so I went ahead and ordered the lpk as well. ;)
     
  11. purehavoc

    purehavoc New Member

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    I like small diameter handguards also . I dont like a bunch of crap on my rifles so I dont use the provided screw on rails either but if I need them I have them . quad rails are just to big around for me , feels like the factory handguards all over again . heres my newest favorite on a 14.7" mid gas with a 9" rainier arms handguard factory FSB. Now keep in mind if your going to run it hard and I mean 300-500 rounds over a couple hrs time at a carbine class its going to get damn hot and require gloves all of them will ,

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    16" carbine with cut down FSB 15" troy rail

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  12. clue

    clue New Member

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    Nice rifles! I like the look of both of those. I have piddled with the idea of just removing the front sight post and getting a 15" rail like the Troy. Idk what to do lol. I like my front sight post but think that 15" rail looks pretty sharp too. Do you prefer one setup over the other? Are the flip up front sights pretty decent?
     
  13. purehavoc

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    its really a personal preference on feel , where do you hold the rifle at ? are you comfortable holding it at the magwell or do you hold it at the end of the handguard , do you wish your front hand would hold out further than that ?
    I like the looks and the feel of the Rainier Arms handguard best but I wish it was a tad longer , I like to hold my rifle out in front a bit further but im ok with it as a mid gas its a tad longer . the magpul sights are great for the money and fairly durable but I like my troy rear sight on one of the other rifle better , it has a better sight picture than the Magpul but at 2X the $$$ . the magpuls are thick in the window area because they are plastic and they need to be to be durable . lots of great rear sights out there but if your just using them as backup sights magpul are hard to beat , if I was just using irons and no optics I would buy something else like troy ,diamond head , daniel defense, samson, or MI
     
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  14. clue

    clue New Member

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    Well I like holding it farther up the handguard but I don't really have a problem with the front post being there. I bought my magpul backup sight bc I eventually plan on putting some sort of optic on eventually. But I must agree I don't really care for the thick window area. I have looked into other sights but don't really want to spend the money on it, but maybe I should considering I don't plan on putting on an optic for quite some time.

    Does the 15" rail add a considerable amount of weight compared to a 9". I am trying to keep the rifle light weight but a few ounces here and there won't bother me either.
     
  15. purehavoc

    purehavoc New Member

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    Your talking about a couple of ounces difference in weight. And if u remove the fsp or cut it down you won't have any weight difference. That fsp is cast and its heavy
     
  16. clue

    clue New Member

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    Okay good deal. I think I have decided to go ahead with the longer rail and just remove the fsp. Right now I am leaning towards the Troy Alpha or Troy Vtac Alpha. Just have to decide on which length. Either 13'' or 15.''

    Okay moving on. So with going with one of these rails am I going to need to install a low profile gas block? If so what is a good one to go with, and are they fairly easy to install?

    Thanks everyone for your input it has been really helpful.
     
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  18. clue

    clue New Member

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    Yea that would be a good option too. Part of the reason I want to get a rail like the ones im looking at is because I want something smaller in diameter. Also I know it probably doesn't make a huge difference but I like the fact of having the barrel free floated.
     
  19. AsSeenOnTV

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    Now you tell me!

    DOH!

    ;)

    There is also something like this out there:

    http://vtsupply.com/apex-handguard-system-2200-ar-15-gator-grip-mid-length-ar15.html
     
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  20. clue

    clue New Member

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    That's a nice looking rail as well and I like the gator grip deal. The only problem I see with that one is it doesn't have a picatinny rail on top. I am definitely going to need one of those for a backup front sight since I don't have any optics at the moment