Which of these AR-15's would you buy?

Discussion in 'AR-15 Discussion' started by Bronco141414, Oct 28, 2013.

  1. Bronco141414

    Bronco141414 New Member

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    DPMS Warrior
    +Magpul furniture
    +$400 below MSRP
    +Magpul front sight included
    +4 Extra magazines and cleaning kit
    -3 Year limited warranty

    Del-Ton Echo 316
    +$120 less than DPMS Warrior
    +Magpul furniture
    +$150 below MSRP
    +Limited lifetime warranty
    -No front sight included

    Both guns appear to be very similar. Both are good beginner guns. Both have seemingly same specs. On behalf of the Del-Ton; you get the seemingly same value as the DPMS for $120 less (a separate sight would have to be purchased though) plus access to a limited lifetime warranty. On behalf of the DPMs Warrior; it MSRP’s for over $400 more than what I would purchase it for and you will receive four extra magazines and a cleaning kit (Through an ongoing deal with DPMS directly).

    Am i over thinking this? I have a strict budget so nothing really more expensive. Thanks for opinions
     
  2. AgentTikki

    AgentTikki New Member

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    Eh? How much issit?

    MSRP is a marketing scheme. Ignore it.
     

  3. Bronco141414

    Bronco141414 New Member

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    Ar-15

    The Warrior is $820 and the 316 is $700
     
  4. CamoToe1

    CamoToe1 New Member

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    I vote Delton. My buddy has a delton that drives tacks. More accurate than my BCM(with 55 gr hunting loads) and feels lighter too. It hasn't had a single malfunction and is setup very similar. Delton is a very good value in AR's.
     
  5. purehavoc

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    Over those 2 I would pick the Delton , however I prefer to have the FSP for a front sight . I would take a look at a few different models out there by Delton . Now for my personal choice there are others out there in that price range that I would choose over both of them .
     
  6. Mercator

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    Comes down to the extras. If you need the front sight, you'll have to buy a rear sight. If you don't (and that's alright), scratch it off, you are buying a red dot. On a strict budget, one or the other will do fine.

    Four mags. Do you need all of them right now? You could pick up more later. Sometimes as giveaways. I like to take a pause and reload while my rifle cools off. A string of 30 is enough.

    Warranty. What exactly is covered? Limited could mean a lot of things. Read the fine print.

    I don't even know which one I'd choose until I see and handle both. The balance, the fit and finish and the trigger can break the tie either way.
     
  7. Argyle_Armoring

    Argyle_Armoring New Member

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    Of those two, I would choose the Del-Ton.
     
  8. AgentTikki

    AgentTikki New Member

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    Visited both manufacturers websites and here's what I found......

    Both are not chrome lined, carbine gassed, and heavy barreled profile. The DPMS has a Carpenter 158 bolt. Delton really is stingy with stats and specs.

    On paper, DPMS wins.

    In my personal opinion, you can build a better PSA unit for the same money or less even.
     
  9. therewolf

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    I'd also be looking for a solid barrel. The great thing about the AR

    platform is you have so many choices, and don't have to settle for

    anything in a pre-made package. Decent stripped lowers are

    available for less than 100 $.
     
  10. purehavoc

    purehavoc New Member

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    Hmmm I found the Delton specs right on that page of the rifle



    Chrome Moly Vanadium
    M4 Feed Ramps
    16" Length
    1x9 Twist
    A2 Flash Hider
    Manganese Phosphated
    Phosphated under Single Rail Gas Block
    Threaded Muzzle
    Heavy Profile

    Chamber:

    5.56 X 45 mm

    Bolt And Carrier:

    Phosphated 8620 Steel Carrier Assembly
    Carpenter 158 Bolt HPT/MPI Tested
    Heat Treated and Plated
    Mil-Spec
    Chrome Lined Carrier Interior
    Carrier Key - chrome lined, attached with Grade 8 Screws
    Properly Staked & Sealed Gas Key

    Handguards:

    Carbine Length
    Aluminum Delta Ring
    Single Heat Shield

    Upper Receiver:

    Forged 7075 T6 Aluminum
    Flat Top with M4 Feed Ramps
    Hard Coat Anodized
    Mil-Spec
    Ejection Port Cover and Round Forward Assist
    Right Hand Ejection
    Bore's surface is coated with dry film lube, over the anodized surface

    Lower Receiver:

    Forged 7075 T6 Aluminum
    Hard Coat Anodized
    Mil-Spec
    Aluminum Triggerguard
    Semi-Auto
    Aluminum Mag Catch Button

    Buttstock:

    M4 5 Position
    Reinforced Fiber
    Mil-Spec Sized Tube

    Weight:

    6.6 lbs Empty

    Length:

    36.375" Fully Extended
    32.625 Collapsed

    Accessories:

    1 - 30rd Magazine
    Gun Lock
     
  11. Sniper03

    Sniper03 Supporting Member Supporter

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    Of these two choices definitely the Delton hands down!

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  12. armsmaster270

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    The catalog I got with my Delton Echo states
    Barrel Chrome moly 16" 1x9 twist

    Bolt Carrier
    Phosphated 8620 Steel Carrier Assy. HPT/MPI Tested Carpenter 158 Bolt, Heat treated and plated
    Milspec
    Chrome lined carrier interiorCarrier key chrome lined
     
  13. purehavoc

    purehavoc New Member

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    Personally Im not a fan of the optics ready rifles , you have no place to put back up sights on it . For the money I would rather have this rifle but again , I like the mid length and the front sight setup it will not be in the way with a scope or RDS
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    SIERRA 316/MOE
    DTI 16" Mid Length MOE Rifle
    DTI 16" Mid-Length MOE Rifle - Black




    MSRP $863.00

    Product Code: RFTMH16-MOE

    For our Dealer Locator click here



    Description Technical Specs



    Barrel:

    Chrome Moly Vanadium
    M4 Feed Ramps
    16" Length
    1x9 Twist
    A2 Flash Hider
    Manganese Phosphated
    Phosphated under Front Sight Base
    Taper Pins on F-Marked Front Sight Base
    Threaded Muzzle
    Mid Length Heavy Profile

    Chamber:

    5.56 X 45 mm

    Bolt And Carrier:

    Phosphated 8620 Steel Carrier Assembly
    Carpenter 158 Bolt HPT/MPI Tested
    Heat Treated and Plated
    Mil-Spec
    Chrome Lined Carrier Interior
    Carrier Key - chrome lined, attached with Grade 8 Screws
    Properly Staked & Sealed Gas Key

    MOE Handguards:

    Magpul® MOE Mid-Length
    Aluminum Delta Ring
    Heat-resistant polymer construction

    Upper Receiver:

    Forged 7075 T6 Aluminum
    Flat Top with M4 Feed Ramps
    Hard Coat Anodized
    Mil-Spec
    Ejection Port Cover and Round Forward Assist
    Right Hand Ejection
    Bore's surface is coated with dry film lube, over the anodized surface

    Lower Receiver:

    Forged 7075 T6 Aluminum
    Hard Coat Anodized
    Mil-Spec
    Magpul® MOE Triggerguard
    Semi-Auto
    Aluminum Mag Catch Button
    Magpul® MOE Grip

    MOE Buttstock:

    Magpul® MOE Stock
    Polymer Construction
    Mil-Spec Sized Tube

    Weight:

    6.8 lbs Empty

    Length:

    36.750" Fully Extended
    33.0 Collapsed

    Accessories:

    1 - 30rd PMag
    Gun Lock
     
  14. bamashooter68

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    I have the Echo 316/MOE topped off with an Eotech 512 and it is a very well built, accurate as hell, reliable carbine. Love mine. I don't think you can go wrong with this Delton.
     
  15. connectegr

    connectegr New Member

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    I have the same setup. Also in Bama. 1000's of rounds. I vote for the Delton.
     
  16. Bronco141414

    Bronco141414 New Member

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    I appreciate all of your wise words of wisdom. I just now checked back on this post after making my decision. I decided on the Delton and from all your posts, it seems i made the right decision. It seems to be a sturdy beginner gun (Hell probably even a little beyond beginner). Thanks!! Keep the posts coming. I love all this advice!
     
  17. AgentTikki

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    Er...um sorry you guys are right...I got it backwards...the DPMS has no stats....http://www.dpmsinc.com/MOE-WARRIOR_ep_91-1.html

    The Delton has the Carpenter 158 bolt. So I'm guessing the Delton's a better buy, tho money wise they are similar. The DPMS may be $100 more but it does come with 4 mags and a rear BUIS.

    But both barrels aren't the greatest, heavy barrel profiled (cheaper to produce, and of course heavier) Neither is chrome lined or melonited. Both are 1x9 twist so neither will handle the longer precision rounds..

    If I had $700ish I'd build myself one and get a better barrel.
     
  18. Quentin

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    I agree. It's not terribly hard to build a better AR than DPMS or DTI in that price range. As others have said PSA is a good place to start searching.
     
  19. bamashooter68

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    Whats wrong with a heavy barrel AR tikki? I happen to like mine. I guess since it doesn't have a govt profile barrel or a 1:7 twist or I didn't get it from Puke State Armory its no good. Wrong.. I would be willing to bet my DTI will shoot as good as a comparable priced Puke gun. You AR snobs are really sickening.
     
  20. Argyle_Armoring

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    Damn dude! 1992 called. They want you to take a chill pill.