Which is a better safe?

Discussion in 'Firearm Accessories & Gear' started by silverado113, May 8, 2012.

  1. silverado113

    silverado113 New Member

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    Two safes to choose from and both have up to a 24 gun configuration capacity. The difference in price is $100 bucks. Just wondering which one is better in the opinions of those in the forum?

    Cannon Challenger 24 Gun Safe $499
    High Security Door
    Massive 4 in. steel composite door
    High-security commercial grade
    Type 1 electronic lock
    1 in. active-locking bolts
    Surefire multiple re-lockers
    3 layers extra-hard, 60+ RC steel hard-plate protects the lock
    True lock internal hinges
    5-spoke handle
    Exterior measurements 26 in. W x 20 in. L x 60 in. H
    Weighs 360 lb.
    Unibody construction delivers maximum ruggedness and strength
    Pre-drilled bottom for bolting to floor
    Heavy gauge steel for long term durability
    Finished in a durable hammer-tone paint
    High grade upholstery finished shelves, walls and inset door panel
    1200°F for 30 minutes
    Triple fin in tumescent cold smoke expandable seal that expands many times its size when exposed to heat

    Winchester 24 Gun Safe $599
    Fire Resistant to 30 minutes @ 1400° F
    UL listed electronic lock
    UL listed for Burglary, RSC & California DOJ Compliant
    Holds up to 24 long guns
    Palusol® door seal
    2 layers of 1/2 in. fireboard in door
    2 layers of 1/2 in. fireboard in body
    4-way active bolt work
    Twelve 1-1/4 in. dia. locking bolts
    Auxiliary relocker
    Drill resistant hard plate & chamberlain disc
    Door panel organizer
    5-spoke handle
    Convertible gray interior
    Durable granite gloss powder paint finish
    59 in. H x 30 in. W x 22 in. D
    Cubic capacity: 22.5 cu. ft.
    Weight: 507 lb.
    Limited lifetime warranty
     
  2. Robc10x

    Robc10x New Member

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    I would go with the heavier safe with better fire protection. Couple of thoughts tho. First, figure out what size you want then get the next size up from that. It will never be big enough trust me on that. Second, although they are reliable and safe, electronic locks can fail. Mechanical ones can too, but they don't have batteries. Third, unless it is important to you, having a shiny finish adds cost you may not need. If you are like me and store your guns away from view, having the base finish means you can spend more on stuff like lighting or a heat rod.
     

  3. vincent

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    If the choice is between the two I'd go with the Winchester.

    1-Heavier, it'll have more trouble walking off on ya...
    2-Great fire protection at that price
    3-By the measurements it seems a little deeper, may offer a little more room, every little bit counts.

    The only thing I'd want different would be to get the traditional combo lock, e-locks can be accessed much easier

    Got any pics?
     
  4. silverado113

    silverado113 New Member

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  5. vincent

    vincent New Member

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    Same here, seen the Win's a bunch but don't know much about them.

    I'd like to know where they get the figure "24 gun safe"...maybe if you take out all the shelving and grease the sides you can squeeze 24 in there. Maybe they mean 4 long guns and 20 handguns...;)

    All things considered the Win looks good, that's a great price too. I'd research the validity of their fire rating, then I'd jump on it...I paid 700 for mine and it's just about the exact same thing as the Win...seems like a good deal to me if their claims are valid...:cool:
     
  6. fmj

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    Personally, I'd GO WITH THE CANNON!

    When doing my research the winchester was looked at sent towards the bottom of the heap. Cannon and Liberty were towards the top due to warranty, accessories, and other things. Cannons and Liberties got the highest reviews.

    TSC caries the Cannons for a good price. Big R carries the Liberty Fat boys for the same basic price...

    That cannon your looking at was what i had decided on, (mainly what drove me over the edge to cannon was the power point and usb/ethernet connection already built in)it also came with a machanical lock....but i went with the cannon 48 gun instead. For the price increase it was well worth the money...even tho that model only comes with an electronic lock.
     
  7. BRAD313

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    Cannon made in the USA
     
  8. Shoobee

    Shoobee New Member

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    Generally the heavier the better.

    If you have kids, then you need a touch keypad entry though.

    If no kids, any lock is fine.
     

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  9. Red_Neck

    Red_Neck New Member

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    I looked at both at TSC

    I bought the Cannon because of price and warranty. Onmly isse with Cannon is a drilled hole in the back of mine at the bottom. I wanted to add a media plug for harddrive but not sure if I can.

    I have successfully put 12 guns on one side. but i had a tough time getting them in there. I plan to make a new gun template and shift tem to one side and make smaller shelves, 60/40.

    449.00 at TSC its hard to beat the price
     
  10. PSYCHOFREAK3

    PSYCHOFREAK3 New Member

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    I am trying to decide between the two. This Cannon specifically is made in Mexico not the USA according the the tiny black sticker on the upper left hand rear of the safe. Variance between the warranties on the safe itself appears to be Cannon warrantying flood where Winchester does not, however the electronic lock has a one year warranty on either safe the Winchester has an optional 9 year extended on the lock for I believe $75 bucks. Cannon 4 active locking bolts with an antipry seam along the hinge side, Winchester 12 active locking bolts, 5 on either side one on top and one on bottom. Cannon 1" bolts Winchester 1 and a quarter bolts. Cannon internal hinges, door opens to 90 degrees, Winchester external hinge door opens almost full 180 and I believe you can take the door off for moving. Outside of that the only difference I saw in person was the location of the pre drilled hole for electricity, the cannon being dead center about 10 inches up from the bottom and the Winchester being in the lower right hand corner.

    Mods I understand this thread is old, however when googling either of the two safes our site comes up pretty often within the first couple of hits so we may as well keep it updated.
     
  11. JCANNON

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    Just remember 4 inch door doesn't usually mean 4 inches of steel door because they're including the locking mechanism compartment... What matters is the thickness of the actual from panel/face of door (1/8", 1/4", etc)... The thicker the better obviously
     
  12. steadyshot

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    I don't know of any manufacture that makes gun safes out of plate steel. The heaviest I have seen was 7 gauge steel.
     
  13. RubiDing

    RubiDing New Member

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    Fort Knox Safe's use plate steel. 1/4" plate = 3 gauge.
     
  14. steadyshot

    steadyshot New Member

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    Gun safes? Could you provide a link?

    On the fort Knox web site, 10 gauge is the heaviest I have seen.
     
  15. FAS1

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    They are available, but not anywhere near the price range of the RSC's mentioned.
     
  16. purehavoc

    purehavoc New Member

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    American Security has some nice HS series safes

    HS Series Gun Safes

    The RF6528 Features:

    The only U.L. Listed TL-30 burglary and fire resistant gun safe on the market.
    2¾" thick door constructed of outer and inner steel plates enclosing a unique burglary-resistant high security material and an ARMOR steel plate barrier protecting the entire door.

    The HS6743 and HS7943 Features:

    U.L. Listed TL-15 burglary and fire resistant high security gun safe.
    2¾" thick door constructed with 1" thick solid steel plate and an inner steel plate enclosing a unique burglary-resistant, high security material.
    3½" thick body constructed with 1" thick solid steel plate inner wall and an outer steel plate enclosing a unique burglary-resistant, high security material.

    All HS Series Safes Feature:

    Mercury Class IV fire protection of 1850°F for 2 hours. Designed to maintain an interior temperature of less than 350°F.
    U.L. listed Group 2M lock with spy-proof key-locking dial, drill shattering hard plate and two additional spring-loaded relocking devices.
    Plush tan pin-dot fabric interior.
    5-point handle in brass or chrome and bold zinc die-cast polished brass or chrome logos.
    (RF6528 can also be ordered with NEW Black Nickel hardware).
    10 massive 1½" solid steel chrome plated locking bolts.
     
  17. steadyshot

    steadyshot New Member

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    Yep, now that's a safe. They weigh 3455- 6840lbs!!!!
     
  18. flylo

    flylo New Member

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    I'd buy a old "real" fireproof safe. I bought a 4'wide 32"deep 6'high Diebold for $250 but could not get it upstairs where I wanted it so I sold it. It weighed about 1500# & needed a paint job & I was going to make slideout racks.
     
  19. purehavoc

    purehavoc New Member

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    My brother in law is in the same boat. New house and no rooms for his 60 gun 1250# empty weight . He only has about 10 guns so I'm swapping him safes 24 gun and kicking in a pistol for him to help him out . Helps me out because I can't put anything else in mine and I have 2 of those safes .
     
  20. antikythera

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    I would go with Winchester. we have two huge ones at my work and they work just fine. also the fire resistance is a plus