Which .45 should the Marines adopt and why?

Discussion in 'General Handgun Discussion' started by indyfan, Feb 15, 2011.

  1. indyfan

    indyfan New Member

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    There's been news circulating that the U.S. Marines may adopt a .45 ACP as their primary issued handgun. (still trying to find a source on this)

    I just wanted to hear your opinions on which .45 ACP they should adopt and why?

    Many will say the obvious choice would be the 1911, but considering the amount of care and customization a 1911 needs, I think it would be a poor choice in my opinion. I think an H&K USP 45 would be the best choice for the reason being that they are easy to maintain and very reliable in our current desert warfare scenario.


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  2. canebrake

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    Not the 1911 because, "...considering the amount of care and customization a 1911 needs,"??? WTF?

    I don't know, the pistol seamed to work pretty good in North Africa and oh yea, it did OK in the Ardennes over the winter of 1944/45.
     

  3. canebrake

    canebrake New Member

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    Time For A New Military Sidearm
     
  4. indyfan

    indyfan New Member

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    Well you gotta admit, the 1911 isn't a pick up and go gun. I think it's time for a change. I like the 1911, don't get me wrong, but is it something every regular joe can handle? Wouldn't it be good to go with something simplier?

    and you can lock this thread, I didn't know we had another one thanks Cane.
     
  5. canebrake

    canebrake New Member

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    I "pick up and go" every day with my 1911s.

    Let me ask one more time;

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    From 1911 to 1985 you don't think there were any "regular joes" in the U.S. Military Service???


    "...something simplier?" [sic] What is more simpler than a M1911A1?
     
  6. NGIB

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    The 1911s reputation did not become "tarnished" until folks tried to turn the 1911 from a great combat handgun to a target pistol that is required to fire "flying ashtrays". I have no doubt that a 1911 built to "combat" specifications would be an extremely reliable and extremely effective sidearm...
     
  7. dunerunner

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    My 1911 is stock, has never failed, ever. The 1911 I qualified with in the Navy was stock and shot very well. I'm not getting what is so complicated about a single action semi automatic pistol, that the average Joe can't figure out?
     
  8. orangello

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    Sorry 1911 guys, the time of that steel frame is passing, much like the passing of metal toys (erector sets) in favor of PLASTIC toys (legos). It is time for the plastic-framed .45ACP to step up for the lego generation of soldiers. :p

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  9. hawkchucker

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    The problem the 1911 had in the Marines was simple. They were just worn out. They were around decades and rebuilt so many times that they just became soo out of tolerance. Never liked the Beretta and hated it from day one. Loved the capacity, hated the round.

    I hope that they do go with the 45 cal, but remember that it will still be a foot race to see what companies would enter into the bidding and meet the contract specs. So expect all companies to try and submit the sample.
     
  10. NGIB

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    I have no problem if a plastic pistol was selected. I do have a problem when folks say a GI spec 1911 firing ball ammo is not an effective and reliable pistol...
     
  11. orangello

    orangello New Member

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    Hand on a Bible?
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  12. canebrake

    canebrake New Member

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    The last M1911A1 was built in 1945. No new service pistols were added to the U.S. Arsenal over the next 40 years. Only rebuilds.
     
  13. JonM

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    my ithaca is bone stock as issued by the US Army in 1944. it has never been modified and has all the original as issued parts. ithaca was the worst of all the 1911A1 makers who provided 1911's for the US military. ive got maybe 2500 rounds through it myself. i have no idea how many before i got it. the barrel is nearly a smoothbore as there is almost no rifling left. its 67 years old and still prints groups that fit inside the trigger guard.

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  14. Squirrel_Slayer

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    Cheater! You are using the slide and frame to cover the fliers! j/k
     
  15. Overkill0084

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    It will be cost driven, so I would guess polymer will be in the lead from the start. I don't se it happening any time soon. The only part of the govt that can count on regular cuts is the DoD.
    I would be interested in seeing the proposed specs. Hammer or striker? Safety or decocker? Minimum capacity? And so on.
     
  16. IGETEVEN

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    Damn, I am glad I was in the Army. I have no dog in this fight/selection concerning any Marine's sidearm choices, but.....Used a 1911A1 for a sidearm when I was slogging around in the beautiful, plush rain forests and jungle landscapes of Central and South America, never had any mishaps, at least, that was the weapons fault. Usually was an ammo issue. Parts were readily available as well.
     
  17. indyfan

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    I always thought the US wouldn't allow Polymer handguns to compete in the contest to see who gets the contract. I'm pretty positive the US has a strict list of must's for Military Sidearms. A couple being Metal Frames and Exposed hammers.

    Cane, I understand your plight, I have no beef with the 1911. I just figured with the evolution of the 1911, they've evolved into something that needs to be well maintained in order to function properly...I'd like to see a Mil-Spec 1911 be built now and be put through the Govt tests to see if it'll still pass.
     
  18. JonM

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    the colt series 70 new production would do just fine. any manufacturer that produces a 1911A1 to actual mil-spec as made in ww2 will beat any polygun or glock or wunder9 on the market.

    the senators who wanted to give the contract to berreta had to disqualify the 1911A1 as all the ww2 era test guns out performed every candidate in the tests. they made rules it had to be DA/SA 9mm and have a decocker with safety and be 9mm. its also how they disqualified the sig p226 and glock as well. these quals were put in after the 92FS placed dead last in the first rounds. to disqualify the hi-power they inserted the rule of holding 15+1
     
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  19. NGIB

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    Plastic doesn't bother me a bit, I've owned quite a few - even Glocks. All I would ask for is fair & thorough tests so our service members had something they could depend on. No politics or backroom deals - just a sidearm that will see them through until they can get to their rifle...
     
  20. masterPsmith

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    Go back to the 1911A1, there was never anything wrong with them. They will serve their purpose well for another 100 years. Might even throw a hi-cap 1911 in the mix....................

    Jim......