Which 1911 In .22LR To Buy? Comparing Brands And Models

Discussion in '1911 Forum' started by Quentin, Mar 28, 2014.

  1. Quentin

    Quentin New Member

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    Hope this is the right forum, this could go in Rimfire or 1911.

    For many years I've been wanting to get a .22LR pistol in a 1911 configuration. Anybody else been thinking about getting one soon? This might be a good place to compare brands/models and compare any research we've done. Of course anyone who has one, please let us know what you think of it and how reliable it is with various types of ammo.

    I looked at conversion kits for a genuine 1911 and the Ruger 22/45. But I got the impression the conversion kits are fussy with ammo and to me the Ruger just isn't close enough to a 1911 even though the controls are similar. Other opinions are welcome though. How have these options worked for you? (BTW, I do like Ruger and have the old style Mark I Target and Mark II, I just want a 1911 in .22LR.)

    This week Cabela's has $40 off the Browning 1911 .22 (sale price $530) so today I looked at one but wrote it off quick because it's almost half the size of a real 1911! Nice pistol though if you want a small 1911 but not me, I want a full size model.

    They also had a Chiappa 1911-22 for $350 but it felt cheap and I've read complaints from owners. Honestly, I have no first hand experience firing one. I can only say it looked and felt cheap. Anyway, it's not what I want. They do come in quite a few models with low prices if anyone's looking to get into this field cheap.

    I looked at a couple SIGs, one OD and one matte black, both around $430 or so. They also had the SIG's cheaper twin, the GSG, imported by ATI. These look and feel real good. Definitely worth more research! I have heard they had a problem with plastic guide rods breaking and even cracked slides. There was a recall on SIGs to correct this and I think new models are ok. The SIGs I held did have metal guide rods, I forgot to check the GSG. I think I'd spend the extra $20 or so for the SIG, it looked nicer and had better grips. The GSG rollmarks looked a little tacky compared to the SIG but it's basically the same gun inside and you save a few bucks.

    I also saw a "Colt Gold Cup" made by Walther and imported by Umarex/Walther. It was $450 and looked very good too. The "Colts" also comes in a basic Government Model and a Government Model Rail Gun version patterned after the real deal Colt Government Model Rail Gun in 45ACP which is a civilian version of the Colt M45A1 Close Quarters Battle Pistol (CQBP) issued to US Marines. The Colt/Walther models are finished in matte black but I understand a desert tan model is out that looks very much like the Marines' M45A1.

    I almost bought the Colt Government Model .22 a couple years ago but you couldn't find magazines anywhere and even if you did they wanted $50. That derailed me because only one mag comes with a new gun. I'd been burned before by Umarex when I bought the Colt M4 .22LR and couldn't find magazines. Fortunately things are better today, you can find M4 and 1911 .22 mags. Cheaper Than Dirt has factory Umarex 12-round 1911 .22 mags for $24. The 12-round mag is a nice feature of the Colt, most of the other brands only have 10-round mags. When ordering, you do need to specify the 12-round unless you're in a ban state.

    So far I'm leaning to SIG/GSG and Colt (but not from Cabela's, their prices are much higher than other local gun shops). From reading many threads and watching YouTube videos, both seem to handle most ammo and are very compatible with real 1911 parts such as trigger, hammer, sear, mainspring housing, grip safety, extended safety levers, grips, etc. Of course standard 1911 holsters fit, too.

    Oh well, my search has just started. Tomorrow I'm going to handle a few more guns!
     
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  2. Gatoragn

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    I have and like both the ATI GSG 1911 and the Umarex Gold Cup.

    I bought my GC from Olympus through the FTF Classifieds.

    I have tricked out my GSG with doo dads from CW Accessories and a Burris Fast Fire.
     

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  3. JonM

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    I went through this a while back did all the major conversions got the gsg/sig 1911-22 utter junk every one of em. They are all made of really cheap poorly molded mim including slide and frame. While they aren't pot metal they are pretty damn close. The gsg was one of the worst gun buys I've ever done. If you decide to get one at least get the sig stamped gsg as you will at least have a limited warranty and support from sig

    Closest you get in a quality gun is the ruger 22/45. What's important are the location of the controls and being able to perform. Only the ruger does that but even it has issues out of the box.

    The biggest issue is getting rid of the mag safety so the mags will drop free. Parts do it are pretty cheap however.

    Anyway I'm just trying to save ya some pain. Get the ruger and be done with it. The only conversion that works and is well built are the 22 conversions for the sig p220 and p226
     
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  4. Quentin

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    Thanks, Gatoragn! Do they both handle most ammo? Got a favorite between the Colt and GSG? (Sorry about the comment on the rollmarks! :D)
     
  5. aandabooks

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    I have the Colt Government. Have shot the Sig and the GSG. No experience with the Chiappa. I'll keep the Colt as the other two aren't better but not any worse.
     
  6. ccase39

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    I just bought an American Tactical like the one above in the .45 but it came with a .22lr conversion kit. I love it. Easy to convert. All you do is pop out a pin and replace the slide. I got it for around $600
     
  7. Quentin

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    Ah man, I don't want the 22/45! Even though it's a good gun. Guess I'm a glutton for punishment and pain. :D I'm really hoping 1911-22LRs have got better in recent years.
     
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    I would buy a sig mosquito


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  9. Quentin

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    I don't want DA/SA or a polymer frame, really want something that looks like and functions like a 1911. Might be a nice gun though!
     
  10. Gatoragn

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    My adding CWA's steel guide rod, spring, barrel bushing, barrel cap, tightened the gun up considerably, so it prefers a stout high velocity round. I bought some new Golden Bullets and they ran pretty good the last time I had it out.

    My GC is still stock and is more foregiving on ammo. The mags say 12 rounds, but they work better if you only load 11.

    If I had to choose only one, I think I would go with the Umarex.
     
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    If you don't want polymer ten take the 22/45 off your list. The Colt, Sig or GSG would be my picks. The Sigs hold some appeal because I've seen them in some different finishes. The actual Sig mags are pricey but they'll also run on GSG mags at half the price.
     
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    Since Walther makes both the 'Skeeter and the Pony copy, the barrel setup on the frame is nearly identical.
     
  13. Quentin

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    So your Gold Cup still is stock? I really liked the one I handled today. One little thing that stood out was the wrap around rubber grips (which I don't think are available on the Rail Gun or Government Model versions). Those grips felt real good but are boring black. The SIG had nicer looking grips but the Gold Cup felt better.

    I liked that the Colt magazine dropped free and that there wasn't a magazine safety. I forgot to check this on the SIG, does it drop free and no mag safety?
     
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    I've got the Colt/Umarex/Walther Government Model and its been a great gun except for being picky with ammo. Mine loves Remington Golden Bullets. I'm sure that it'd do great with CCI, though I've never tried them. It's a very accurate pistol and I've taken several squirrels with it. The magazine thing is true, I've yet to find one for a reasonable price.
     
  15. Gatoragn

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    Well, I added a Pierce finger grip with some custom made burl grips and a dab of fluorescent chartreuse fishing jig paint to the front sight and an extended safety.

    I will post picture sometime today.
     

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  16. Quentin

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    Thanks, guys. I'm headed out later to look at more Colts and SIG/GSGs. Right now scouring the web for more testimonials, reviews and videos.

    Winchester, check out CTD for $24 12-round mags!
     
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    Thanks, I'll definitely check it out.
     
  18. Gatoragn

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    The GSG/Sig's does have magazine safety, but drop the mag well and you can remove it.

    CTD kills you on shipping, two mags for $46.38 + $10.77 shipping + $2.99 handling. :eek: :mad:
     
  19. Quentin

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    Well I came home with the "Colt Government Model Rail Gun"!

    After hours of reading reviews and watching videos I was almost certain I was going Colt/Walther. But I wasn't sure which model: Government Model, Gold Cup or Government Model Rail Gun. Fortunately I was able to handle the Gold Cup and Rail Gun side by side at Sportsman's Warehouse. No one else had the Rail Gun, but almost everyone had the Gold Cup. No one in town had the basic Government Model but I know it very well since my real Colt, bought in 1976, is one. I went with the Rail Gun over the Gold Cup due to the rail, the low-profile "Novak" 3-dot sights plus it was $20 cheaper. (If you want fully adjustable sights the Gold Cup is worth the extra bucks but I love the low profile combat sights.)

    Anyway, with military discount (thank you SW!), it was $369.99 plus about $20 tax out the door. I hoped to take it out to the desert this weekend but it's pouring rain right now. Oh well time to break it down and figure it out.

    Thanks for all the input!

    Here's a good, long video on the Rail Gun. The guy does a thorough job, covering everything including installing a light and suppressor, then firing video with and without the suppressor.
    [ame]http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=3WQdfTEzMR8[/ame]

    And here BigDaddyHoffman fires all three models of the Colt.
    [ame]http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=iRwSaQ7njxs[/ame]
     
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  20. Quentin

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    Thanks again, Gator! Good to know you can disable the GSG, I hate mag safeties.

    I ordered three mags but chose CTD's USPS shipping that came to a little under $7 including their $2.99 handling fee. They say 7-10 days shipping, much slower than UPS, but cheaper. I was tempted to pay twice as much but like you it frosts me plus I'm not in a big hurry.