Where Are They?

Discussion in 'Legal and Activism' started by 1911love, Oct 23, 2013.

  1. 1911love

    1911love New Member

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    We've all heard the anti-gunners battle cry that only LEO/MIL are qualified to handle firearms. This story comes on the heels of the SWAT officer who's sidearm discharged at a children's event.

    http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/4152018?utm_hp_ref=tw

    " Three California elementary school students were*wounded in an allegedly accidental shooting*with a police weapon at a safety demonstration on Wednesday, the Los Angeles Times reported.

    An*officer's gun discharged*and no one was hit by an errant bullet, according to the Associated Press. But it unleashed a murky chain of events that left the three youngsters with cuts and scrapes.Two kids were*treated at the hospital*while the other child was escorted home by his parents.

    The apparent accident occurred around 11:15 a.m in Newman Elementary School, outside Los Angeles, where the Chino police department was participating in Red Ribbon Week events."
     
  2. unclebear

    unclebear New Member

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    No matter if your new to shooting or been doing it for years unintentional discharges are gonna happen it's just in human nature to have things like this happen. I will admit sometimes guns aren't kept like there suppose to and wear and tear can cause them to act funny, but it's not something that happens everyday.

    I wish this had more info to it so I could get a better feel for what happened and how. One thing that I find kinda odd is a gun discharged and I can only guess that the reason the kids got hurt is people trying to save there own rear end and trampled some kids...

    I can honestly see kids thinking it was cool I could see other kids running over other kids but in my head it just seems like the teachers would be the one running and leaving the kids behind. Sad I know but it's just my funny brain at work.
     

  3. kfox75

    kfox75 Well-Known Member Supporter

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    you will never hear or see them screaming "RAH, RAH, NO MORE GUNS!!!!" in this case because it is like putting an elevator in an outhouse. It just don't fit. Their agenda that is.

    Putting out a story that paints LEOs in a less than favorable light is only done when said LEO or group of LEOs has been video taped violating somebodys civil rights. Anything less than a full on beat down within sight of a camera is just not news worthy, and it does not fly with the MSM's liberal agenda. The cops are supposed to be the good guys, and as such, are above fault and never make mistakes. At least until a kid gets killed after jumping out of a dark alley with a squirt gun. Then it's all over the news channels, in every newspaper in a 300 mile radius, and most of the sheeple are ready to throw said Leo under the bus so to speak.

    Keep in mind that there are 3 sides to every story.

    Yours, mine, and the truth. When it comes to firearms, it's Anti, pro, and the truth, and only one side will make the evening news.:mad:
     
  4. DeltaF

    DeltaF New Member

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    Unless this was an actual firearms malfunction There is absolutely no excuse for this. If you can't handle your fricking firearm in a room full of kids then you have absolutely no business on a SWAT team to begin with. You shouldn't be in law enforcement to begin with. How the hell do you have a negligent discharge at a kids event?

    Hey I could get it if there was a high stress situation involved. I could understand. But this crap?! Thumbs down.

    However on the flip side I don't think it has zip diddly squat to do with the gun control debate at all. And at a minimum the local media would normally have a field day with it. Media loves to hate on cops.
     
  5. TDS92A

    TDS92A New Member Supporter

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    You are not going to hear about this from the LSM because, in their mind, only LEO's are supposed to have guns so that they can come to their defense.

    The LEO should have done a little PMCS before he/she walked into the school for the presentation. Had that been done, he/she would have known that there was a round in the chamber. Just a little dose of common sense goes a long way.
     
  6. therewolf

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    Let me see:

    Now I aint no College boy, SWAT officer, or "ONLY FBI AGENT QUALIFIED

    TO CARRY A GLOCK 40", I'm just a simple white country boy with most

    his teeth left.

    But IF I were to give a safety lecture about guns,

    (and it might actually be a good idea, considering all the

    NDs and ADs, during "qualified" instructors classes)

    I fail to see WHY, IN GOD'S NAME, IT WOULD BE A GOOD IDEA

    TO BRING LIVE AMMO TO THE CLASS ROOM.

    Hey SWAT TEAM! Those plastic pistol mock ups? Google "rubber duck" .

    Those Dark Red fake plastic bullets? Google "Snap Caps". HELLOOOOOOOOOOO!


    DAH!
     
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  7. mountainman13

    mountainman13 New Member

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    Exactly rule number 1 for class time is No live ammo on anyone.
     
  8. c3shooter

    c3shooter Administrator Staff Member

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    Back in the day, before the advent of the "blue gun", when LEOs carried revolvers-

    We would do weapons handling training- Covering bad guy while your partner cuffed and searched, etc. We used older Model 10s. The firing pins were permanently removed. Chambers in the cylinder had been filled with J-B weld. Butt and grips painted bright red.

    All other firearms were to be kept OUT of the training room.


    But I DO love the "a weapon discharged". Just up and did the deed on its own without the aid of a human being. NOT "Doofus failed to keep his booger hook off'n the trigger". NOT "LEO accidentally fires gun."

    See? You really can't trust them guns. Cunning little devils.
     
  9. DeltaF

    DeltaF New Member

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    Um... I don't know what news you watch, but the ones that I watch jump at every opportunity they have to criticize the police.

    They don't want us to have guns either. If they ever grab everybody else's guns they'll grab ours next. It's already in the play book. Look at Europe.
     
  10. AIKIJUTSU

    AIKIJUTSU New Member

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    Yep. It must've been a "spontaneous discharge", sorta like "spontaneous combustion".
    I'm sure it gave the kids a new respect for LEO's.
     
  11. AIKIJUTSU

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    "Students Hurt In Accidental Shooting By Cop At School Safety Event Near Los Angeles"

    That headline is an obvious attempt to make the false impression that the kids were shot.

    "Three California elementary school students were wounded in an allegedly accidental shooting with a police weapon at a safety demonstration on Wednesday, the Los Angeles Times reported. "

    And that line is even worse. If a couple of them got bruised, is that the same as being wounded by gunfire?
     
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    My question is this; why was there a round in the chamber of the rifle? A pistol I can understand, but not a rifle.

     
  14. kfox75

    kfox75 Well-Known Member Supporter

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    ABC News rushes to get the story out first, even if they don't have all the facts. Big surprise there. If this is really what happened, I have some questions.

    First, why was a loaded rifle locked on a motorcycle left unattended? If it was locked to the bike, how did the child remove it from the bike? After all, the report says that he dropped the rifle after it was discharged. Is it just me, or does the title of this article make it sound like a LEO went off the deep end and tried to shoot up a school? I guess I can sum this one up to nothing more than an absolute clusterf#$k if I actually wanted to take ABC at it's word.

    However, I am smart enough to take everything the MSM reports with a grain of salt. It is still enough to make me wonder WTF really happened.
     
  15. DeltaF

    DeltaF New Member

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    Usually how a weapon is loaded and stored is determined by departmental policy.

    Example: shotguns must be carried in a locking gun rack or the trunk of the unit. A minimum of 3 rounds should be loaded in the magazine tube, with none in the chamber and the safety on when the shotgun is not in use.

    Our motors don't have locking gun racks or a trunk big enough for a long gun. Recently they purchased folding shotguns that will just barely fit in one of the saddlebags. Before then, they didn't provide any storage options for them at all.
     
  16. Warrior1256

    Warrior1256 New Member

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    I saw a clip where a DEA agent, instructing kids about gun safety, shot himself in the foot.
     
  17. 1911love

    1911love New Member

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    I remember that! He says, "This is a Glock .40, 50 Cent, all the guys got one. I'm the only one in this room qualified to handle it." BOOM! Child in the back of the room says, "Put it down!" Hilarious, dumba$$ shot himself in the foot. Google FBI agent shoots himself in front of audienece.

    The SWAT story I referenced was a guy who had a holster w/o a trigger guard(WTF???) and a child snatched the trigger and the officer caught lead in his leg. I'll try to find the article.
     
  18. 1911love

    1911love New Member

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    I didn't start this post to bash LEOs btw. My intent was to show how wrong the antis are when they cry that only LEO/MIL are qualified to have firearms.

    I also agree with Delta, if our firearms are ever taken, LEOs come next, just like the European Utopia where unicorns roam free and the sky is always blue.
     
  19. DeltaF

    DeltaF New Member

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    They showed us a lot of these in firearms training. The title of that segment of in service was "How Not To Be A DUMB ASS"

    I kid you not. It was on the PowerPoint!