When SHTF...HP vs. FMJ

Discussion in 'General Handgun Discussion' started by CHLChris, Nov 13, 2010.

  1. CHLChris

    CHLChris New Member

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    I'm mostly talking .45acp here.

    Full Metal Jacket:

    -Will go through metal, glass, people pretty easily
    -Leave a wound channel about the diameter of the bullet
    -A little less expensive

    Hollow Point:

    -More effective when not going through barriers first
    -Leave a wound channel much larger than diameter of bullet
    -A little more expensive

    When hoarding for a SHTF situation (from political unrest/revolutionary war to natural disaster protection) which is better to have:

    -As barter? (would HP actually garner more credit?)
    -In warfare? (is HP any more effective n this situation?)
    -Hunting? (is FMJ better for taking down a raccoon or something?)
     
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  2. CHLChris

    CHLChris New Member

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    cheaperthandirt.com carries a brand called BVAC, which is US-made ammo of pretty good quality. They have 50-round boxes and 500-round boxes of FMJ and HP that are roughly similar in price. I'm wondering if one would be better to hoard than the other.
     

  3. dunerunner

    dunerunner New Member

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    I figure I'll be shooting both, cause that is what I have. Right now I'm working on getting brass, bullets, powder and primers....Oh, yea....and reloading equipment.

    SHTF...You'll be shooting what ever you make or scrounge. My guess is the supply of .45 will drop off the map in short order and all that you will find is 9mm.
     
  4. dunerunner

    dunerunner New Member

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    Ah, but the 9mm round will be carried by the military and available, until that supply runs dry. I intend to barter with Beer and Toilet paper for ammo and anything else I need. I'm hoarding TP, fermentables, practicing reusing yeasts and and freezing hops. :D
     
  5. kyleytxrialover

    kyleytxrialover New Member

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    anything that goes bang and drops the bg:D
     
  6. dunerunner

    dunerunner New Member

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    I never thought they allowed the NG to have ammo. Where do you suppose the military warehouses the ammunition they purchase as a precaution in the event of war? It's not at your local NG Armory!!
     
  7. Gojubrian

    Gojubrian New Member

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    Are there some posts missing here or is dune talking to himself? :confused:
     
  8. danf_fl

    danf_fl Retired Supporter

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    Under the geneva convention, military cannot use hollow points in a declared war. Only "Ball" ammo. Ball ammo is designed to wound, not kill. As far as Stan, that is not an official declared war. Private citizens have to duty to be "Judged by 12, not carried by 6".
     
  9. CA357

    CA357 New Member Supporter

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    I fixed it. I'm still getting the hang of the hammer. ;)
     
  10. cpttango30

    cpttango30 New Member

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    When I was in the nasty guard. We had a supply depot that we had to go get it from. We would have two guys come in early drive 3 hours up to Herlong then drive back to the armory. They would then stand guard till the convoy left for Camp Roberts. The driver and the Vehicle Commander would be the only ones allowed to have weapons locked and loaded. Driver VC would each have a 45 and the VC would also have an m-16 with 5 30 rd mags at the ready.
     
  11. CHLChris

    CHLChris New Member

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    The fact that .45acp would dry up is exactly the reason to stock up. I'm not asking about centerfire, .223/5.56 or .308 or whatever. For that, I suppose my goal is 10000 rounds and 20 magazines.

    I'm just asking about the handgun stuff. What should I store up for my sidearm. Is HP worth the extra money to stock up on? So much of the FMJ stuff is loaded for plinking. I want full-on hot loads meant for damage. At least I know HP stuff is generally geared for that.
     
  12. Dillinger

    Dillinger New Member

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    Chris - I have it on a group mentality based discussion from several threads here and conversations in real life, that a couple of the immediate things that will arise for use as monetary purposes would be basic medical supplies, food that can be carried/stored easily and .22lr ammo.

    Giving a man a box of .45 ACP from a supply might have him thinking that he might want to come back and use it to acquire more. You know? ;)
     
  13. JTJ

    JTJ Well-Known Member Supporter

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    I had overlooked the 22lr as trading stock. Relatively inexpensive, very portable and fairly quiet. I figured the meds and food. Weapons and ammo of course. Silver coins, hatchets, axes knives and basic hand tools.

    The price on the .45 HP loads sound decent but Walmart has the best price I have found on FMJ .
     
  14. oldman45

    oldman45 New Member

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    My sage advice is any ammo you have will work fine if it is the proper caliber.

    Would you rather be hit by a 9mm JHP or a .45acp FMJ? In theory, the .45 will do more damage.

    I am not hoarding ammo waiting for the STHTF. I buy it to shoot eventually and want a large amount in the event that ammo becomes difficult to find or gets horribly expensive. Right now, I have about 30,000 rounds of .45acp in FMJ and JHP combined.

    I also have a couple thousand rounds each in 8-10 other calibers. Rifle ammo is less than 100 rounds in each of the calibers I own.

    But no matter the caliber or bullet type, shoot what you have and be accurate.
     
  15. sweeper22

    sweeper22 New Member

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    I haven't given the whole SHTF FMJ vs JHP thing much thought. But if you have the desire to hoard 45acp HPs, give this spot a look. They've got 185gr Fed HPs for $350/1000. Pretty fair prices on Rangers as well.

    Everyone's going to have their own idea of what "a lot" of ammo is in an emergency. Do you need to hunker down or be mobile? How portable is what you have? I have 2K+ rounds of each 9mm and 223, and several thousand 22lr....several hundred of others (12g, 45acp, etc). To me that seems like quite a bit. To some folks, this amounts to little more than a drop in the bucket. For 9mm, I've got probably 3-400 rounds of JHP. Then maybe 2000+ rounds of FMJ, but 60% of that is 124gr NATO level stuff.
     
  16. CA357

    CA357 New Member Supporter

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    S&G is a good outfit to deal with. They have very good prices and great service.
     
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  17. WDB

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    I have always stacked my mags HP, FMJ, HP, FMJ, until it is full....you just don't know what the right round will be at that moment so I bring both and expect the right one will chamber when needed or it will be the next round. I expect this adds little to the OP, just thought I would muddy the water a bit.
     
  18. skullcrusher

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    Whatever you use, fmj or hp in any pistol caliber for a SHTF scenario, keep in mind that the pistol is what you are going to use temporarily so you can get to a rifle.

    I doubt that if you hit anyone with either ball or hp in .45 acp that they will still try to get to your food or water stash. For barter? No. If you are looking for barter stuff, then stock up on water purification tablets. They are not really needed if a person can start a fire, and they make the water taste like shat but you can convince many people that they will need them no matter what. Just a thought.

    Oh, for the record, stock up on any and all ammo you can while you can just in case. Keep in mind that you can only carry so much. How many .22lr rounds equals 1000 rounds of .45 acp in weight whether 230 gr in ball or 165 gr in hp? Can someone do the math based on 36 gr .22lr in copper hp? :D
     
  19. skullcrusher

    skullcrusher New Member

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    Ok, some constants for the math:

    I weighed in grains

    36gr copper plated .22lr CCI Mini-Mag hp = 47.2gr

    230gr Winchester Bonded PDX1 in NiCad case hp = 325.2gr

    230gr WWB ball brass cased = 324.4gr

    In grams:

    .22 = 3.03 g

    Bonded = 21.08 g

    WWB = 20.89 g

    So, if anyone has a calculator:

    28 grams to 1 ounce

    16 ounces to 1 pound
     
  20. sweeper22

    sweeper22 New Member

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    Who needs a calculator?

    The ratio (22lr : 45acp) is almost 7 : 1

    So, let's say 6800+ 22lr for the weight of 1000 45acp. Personally, I like the weight:round ratio of 223rem. But then you gotta consider volume as well...