When is it ok to shoot?

Discussion in 'Legal and Activism' started by beastmode986, Jul 24, 2012.

  1. beastmode986

    beastmode986 New Member

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    Im posting this thread because i want to hear your opinions. After having a talk with my aunt and uncle they said they would only shoot if someone attacked them, but if someone broke in they would ask them either what they're doing and or tell them to get on the ground because they might just be breaking in because someone tried to attack them and they need help or they are poor and really hungry trying to steal food. I thought that was ridiculous and that if someone broke into my house i would shoot them on sight because they can easily draw a weapon on me and shoot me. What would you guys do if someone broke into your house? shoot on sight(verify its not family of course)?
     
  2. KeysKelly

    KeysKelly New Member

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    This is going to be one of those threads with a million different answers and a million different opinions so here's my 2 cents.

    If someone causes me to feel threatened for my life or the lives of those I love shoot first and ask questions later. If you do have to shoot someone call 911 immediately. Give no more information other than your name, location of the shooting (home, car, parking lot, alley), tell them you are armed and say "I was in fear for my life". Stay at the scene until the Police arrive and have your gun exposed, in plain sight and at least 5 feet from you. If they try to question you say NOTHING other than "I was in fear for my life". If they ask for more details tell them you do not want to say anything else without an Attorney present.
     

  3. Donn

    Donn Active Member

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    I agree, 986. If someone broke into my house at 3:00am, I doubt it would be for a bowl of Cheerios. I'd have to believe their intentions were hostile. I'd be forced to act accordingly. I hope neither of us will ever have to roll those dice.
     
  4. StoneCat

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    I try to follow a standard "use of force continuum" (I just pretty much use the same thing my agency uses ALL the time)

    Lethal force is the most severe, most serious thing you can do. You CANNOT be cavalier about it.

    If I'm in a situation where I can get out with another option, by all means. Id rather lose my wallet than take your life. But I WILL act to prevent grievous injury or death. If I believe that my hesitation will result in severe injury or death, I will act. If I also believe that my actions will not make the situation WORSE (I.e. check backstop etc.) I will act.

    The important things are to de-escalate and articulate. As the threat stops, you stop. and be able to ARTICULATE WHY you used force. "I feared for my life" "the assailant was between me and the exit, and had a knife" etc...
     
  5. vincent

    vincent New Member

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    Your best bet is to read, re-read and understand the Castle Doctrine in your state. In my state, any unauthorized presence in my house is, by law, a felony and I am afforded the right of self-defense regardless of the reason for the intrusion...Arm yourself with knowledge first...:cool:
     
  6. Flat Tire

    Flat Tire New Member

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    In some situations if you point a weapon at someone, that can put your butt in jail for assualt
     
  7. pagj17

    pagj17 New Member

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    If, and it is a big one, they comply, they spare their lives. However, if they have gun/knife in hand when I "find" them, well the situation is escalated to the point I'll have no control.
     
  8. PrinC

    PrinC New Member

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    I have learnt that the burden of proof is on the shooter to justify his actions. This doesn't mean that one should be hasty to deploy his firearm and blast an intruder. You may be surprised that someone may land in your living room having fled from the scene of domestic abuse of something. Coming out blazing is not the maturest way to approach an invasion.

    I would approach with caution. I would inform the intruder that i am armed and they should show me their hands. based on their response i would then decide whether to apply a more aggressive manner or whether to stand down.
     
  9. primer1

    primer1 Well-Known Member Supporter

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    I will be yelling "on the ground" while aiming. No reason you can't do both. If they run, you avoid a big mess. If they lay down and comply, you avoid a big mess. If they reach for a weapon, your already aiming and have the upper hand.
     
  10. danf_fl

    danf_fl Retired Supporter

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    For someone to enter a known occupied abode, they understand the risk they take, and how their actions will be received by the occupants.

    Thus, by breaking in, they are a threat.
     
  11. Rarity

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    It depends on the law.

    If someone is breaking a window, and they are attempting to enter the home.. that gives me every reason to shoot the suspect, even if that means death. I wont shoot the person while they are on the floor of course that's just wrong and against the law.
     
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  12. gearhead396

    gearhead396 New Member

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    In my opinion one strong firm warning to show your hands and get on the floor if the BG doesn't take the order in 3 seconds or less I'm shooting for the chest...... shoot to kill
     
  13. KeysKelly

    KeysKelly New Member

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    Couldn't agree more. If a person does something to me or my family that causes me to feel it necessary to shoot them I don't want them scared or hurt. I want them dead. A corps will never stand in court and point at you saying how they only wanted a glass of water.
     
  14. pagj17

    pagj17 New Member

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    Wrong! You shoot not to kill, wound, or scare, but instead to STOP THE THREAT. While that may mean death it also may not.
     
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    purehavoc New Member

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    They are going to flee or get on the floor because they don't want option 3.
     
  16. mountainman13

    mountainman13 New Member

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    I have to partially disagree. With the way the laws are in my state you draw your sidearm you shoot to kill.
    1) you cannot draw a firearm unless it is to save a life
    2) you meet deadly force with deadly force
    3) you make sure the bg doesn't get the chance to tell his side of the story
    4) it is almost a guarantee you will be going to jail even if it is a justified shooting
    5) the bg's family is going to sue you and you don't need medical bills added to your problems

    That said not all states are like ma,ny or Florida.
     
  17. gearhead396

    gearhead396 New Member

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    Have to agree with keys Kelly I see where your coming from pagj but I deff don't wanna get caught in some long drawn out court case with some BG who is just gonna do it again because I tried to save my own life obviously though if there on the ground and dying and not a threat in not gonna walk up and put one in there head but you get what I mean
     
  18. StoneCat

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    The safest way is to learn your state laws. And follow them. Adhering to the same use of force continuum the police use, you'll have an easier time during the INEVITABLE civil and potential criminal trial explaining that you did everything in your power to AVOID lethal force, but had no choice.
    Or you may be able to avoid lethal force, and court altogether.

    "tried by twelve instead of carried by six" sounds heroic, until a jury full of anti-gunners who think you were a trigger happy vigilante give you 25 years in a place where EVERYONE'S a bad guy and NOBODY has guns...
     
  19. c3shooter

    c3shooter Administrator Staff Member

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    Rather than be "tried by 12". I would rather be found to have acted reasonably in the circumstances, and NOT charged with anything.

    You DO need to understand the laws that apply to where YOU are. In any of the 57 states. And if you think making SURE that the hobgoblin is dead AFTER you have stoppd him means you will not have a long, drawn out trial, ask the druggist that re-shot the perp laying on the floor of his shop.
     
  20. JD1969

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    Something tells me you have never taken a CC class. If you had you would understand that you NEED to say "to stop the treat" and "I was in fear of my life". Saying shoot to kill is a fast track to a conviction. Keep this in mind also. Everything you put out on the internet is out there, for anyone to find, forever. Lets hope you never have to use a firearm in self defense, but if you do, there is a good chance you could be out under a microscope and you will regret having said certain things. Confronted with a situation where I need to defend myself, I will shoot to stop the threat, if the bad guy dies so be it, if he lives he is one lucky SOB.