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Discussion in 'Ammunition & Reloading' started by RangeGal, Jul 2, 2013.
If you had to say, when would you say you started having problems obtaining ammunition?
.22 ammo, 9mm and 5.56/.223 ammo were getting scarce in November/ December 2012. other calibers seemed to vaporize aroud January.
I've seen 9mm and .223 coming back, along with .45. Still haven't found reasonable .22 ammo in large quantities in my area.
It hit the fan hard immediately after Sandy Hook.
However, there were some items that were getting scarce after the Aurora CO shooting. Primers were kind of thin afterward. ARs and AR ammo picked up a bit of momentum. Bulk ammo started showing "Out of Stock" on more & more web sites. Not panic buying, but certainly a pick up in popularity. It required that one actually hunt it down. I for one thought it prudent to get my AR after Aurora and get a supply of ammo on hand.
It started after the 2008 election. It continued until 2010 and then tapered off. Components and ammo were readily available but not in the numbers they were prior to Nov 2008. Then Obama stole the election in Nov 2012 and it has been going down hill ever since.
In 2014 when the Democrats steal the House back and retain the Senate things will bad, really bad, maybe permanently bad or even banned.
How I see it: Right after Sandy Hook and the renewed talk of gun control things started to get hard to find. I think that was the result of panic purchase. Since then it has come to light that our government has been stock piling ammo in enormous quantities. Unfortunately they are stock piling the same ammo many of us use (So much so there has even been a bill put forth to limit the amount of ammo the government can stock pile). Ammo manufacturers are obligated to fill government contracts first so civilian marketers must wait for those contracts to be filled before they can get their orders filled. Most common hunting rounds and shot shells were not affected much with the exception of .22 lr and .17hmr. After 7 months of this even once plentiful obscure surplus ammo has been snapped up by those that fear everything will dry up. One example: import company just got in a crate of vz82's in 9x18 markov and are selling them at a fair albeit inflated price. Before you order one try to find 9x18 markov ammo, all marked "sold out". I think this has been a test.
This should be on everyones radar.
In my region, there is no pistol ammo on the shelves, period. As soon as anything is unloaded off the truck, the clerks make a phone call to their buddies, and the shelves are emptied again. Much of that ammo goes to the next gun show, where it is sold at triple, or better, the buying price.
The shortage will end when the panic buying stops. The government "stockpiling" ammo is about as lame an example of "conspiracy theory" as you can imagine. The government uses a hell of a lot of ammo, but not much of it is .22LR.
This shortage is a self inflicted wound, just as the 2008 shortage was, no conspiracy, just paranoia.
I didn't make this stuff up:
[T]he legislation would prevent all government agencies except for the Defense Department from purchasing and storing what lawmakers say is an excess amount of ammunition.
The bill’s reach would include DHS and U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE), two agencies that have found themselves at the center of the ammo controversy.
“As the public learned in a House committee hearing this week, the Department of Homeland Security has two years worth of ammo on hand and allots nearly 1,000 more rounds of ammunition for DHS officers than is used on average by our Army officers,” Inhofe said. “The AMMO Act of 2013 will enforce transparency and accountability of federal agencies’ ammunition supply while also protecting law-abiding citizens access to these resources.”
An agency covered by the legislation would not be permitted to purchase or store more ammunition than that agency retained on average between 2001 and 2009, according to an advance copy of the legislation provided to the Free Beacon.
Chainfire, it is just a theory, lame or not it's not mine but it make more sense then to think that everyone has a closet full of ammo but is willing to pay top dollar to snap up any box of ammo they can get their hands on. (my closet is just about empty) And by the way, Uncle Sam does buy .22lr and even .45lc.
No I would think not, but ammo manufacture's are going full bore manufacturing other ammo to fill both Govt's orders and the Consumers needs thus tying up time and resources that would otherwise be used in 22LR manufacturing.
The day after Aurora I went to my local shop and bought primers, I thought that the stuff was going to hit the fan then, but to my surprise it didn't. It was Sandy Hook that really dried things up in my area. I can get some powder and even primers but I haven't bought them as I refuse to be scalped and prefer to wait it out. All .22's are gone but some centerfire rifle and pistol ammo is available in the "unpopular" calibers.
I have read many reports of 'government' agencies such as local police forces resorting to using 22LR just because of the ammo expenses and shortages these days.
Rimfires seem to be the rarest of all.
The police departments I've read about are getting them from somewhere. Bigger contracts means closer to the front of the line for who gets what.
I have plenty of rimfire, but just looking for small rifle primers.
It's odd that Sandy Hook was used for the big anti AR campaign. I feel that there's enough doubt there that an AR was even used. It seems the Aroura attack would have made more sense for the left to go after the AR's. Ammo was a little more scarce after Aroura but was completely gone after Sandy Hook.
If there is a shortage due to the police using .22 rimfires it is a well kept secret. Police Depts. do not usually have .22 handguns. Now I suppose there will be a Maga shortage of .22 pistols?
If there is a real "Plot" causing the shortage then why are scalpers well stocked with .22 RF? Go to any gun show, there is plenty of .22 RF ammunition. It is selling for $100 dollars for 400 rounds.
Chainfire has it right the shortage is due to hoarding and insider buying.
Yeah, if anything after sandy, i noticed that .223 were over a dollar a shot, just recently i noticed than its going back to a reasonable price. But as i was reading a bit earlier the whole "army ammo stockpiling" thing is true. Ive seen some orders for manufacture. And a couple of public buying from civilians. But it was sometime last year. I cant remember when...
Hmmm, about the day Obummer was re-elected?
Last time I was at a gun show, there were more ammo sellers than gun sellers...or so it seemed. There is no doubt to me that speculation in ammo is driving both scarcity and price. I did buy some ammo a month ago and the seller had limits on purchases so even though the price was high, I could get some...finally!
Also i noticed that the some what odds and ends calibers were still descent prices. Like .303 British and 7.62x54R
About the time of the Newtown shootings. However, I stopped by our local sporting goods store (Academy) earlier today and they had plenty of everything finally. Ammo in all calibers, AR/AK mags, "black" rifles and accessories were on the shelves again, unlike the situation just a month or so ago. The only downer was you are still limited to a single box of ammo in "popular" calibers with a total of three boxes (1 each per caliber) per each purchase. The prices also seem to be back, more or less, to pre shortage prices. OTOH, at our local W-Marts the popular calibers like .22, 9mm, .45, 5.56 mm, etc are still pretty much non existent but AR and similar style rifles are back in stock. It seems that here in my part of E. Texas it really depends are the individual retailer as to what and how much is available when it comes to gun's & ammo, but stuff is out there and at reasonable prices again. You just need to look around a bit.