When and where to shoot

Discussion in 'Legal and Activism' started by MobileMarine, Aug 15, 2011.

  1. MobileMarine

    MobileMarine New Member

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    I have often thought about this topic on whether to kill or shoot an intruder .
    I know lots of folks who say they will kill anyone , I have said it too . BUt if you break it down , your taking a life and you will live with that for the rest of yours . Example A: A young teen is breaking into your shed or car ect and is armed with say a knife , you confront him and a fight ensues . Do you kill him ? shoot him in the arm , balls , leg foot ? Remember , he is young and still has a chance of turning his life around . But you stand a chance of legal action against you .
    Same situation but with a middle aged man , more than likely his path is set and has been doing wrong for most of his life , he is older and stronger , maybe even a bit braver .I would think it would be easier for me for me to shoot him dead .
    You come home mid-day and find un-welcome people in your house doing some shopping , and are unarmed and pose no threat . A: hold them @ gunpoint , they go to jail and get off with a slap B: they " come " at you and you shoot them anyway or C: pop one in there knees to teach them a lesson and never call the cops ?
    You and your family is sleeping , you hear a crash , you get up to find intruders do A: kill them regardless of age or B: oh forget it if they break in @ night they are a serious threat and you should spend the next 2 days cleaning up brains with a smile on your face .
    Just wondering what some of you guys think , I know every one is different . But I think Im more of a fan of shooting them to teach a lesson and never call it in and I also have a very very large swamp behind my house :D
     
  2. bkt

    bkt New Member

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    A lot of it has to do with what local laws say. In my area, you are within your rights to shoot someone who is in your home and you can't retreat to safety. You can't shoot someone on your property unless you're also outside and the intruder poses an immediate threat (just as if you were on the street).

    As to whether or not you should shoot an intruder even if doing so is within the bounds of the law, that's up to the individual. Arguably, if you do you can be sure that person won't pose any further threat; you don't want your new friend returning with armed buddies.
     

  3. canebrake

    canebrake New Member

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    Regardless of whether justified or not, you will feel sad about killing another human being.

    It is better to be sad than to be room temperature.
     
  4. usmcprofessional

    usmcprofessional New Member

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    wait, what?

    thats like saying those 8 year old somali kids with AK's are just an adorable little threat. at that point he or she no longer is a he or she. it has a knife, it is going to die.

    this goes back to what was said in the other thread. if you own or going to buy a firearm with the intent of protecting yourself and yours from any threat, you better take a long good hard look at yourself before buying it cause if you do not think you could take another persons life in self defense, buy a baseball bat.

    and shooting someone, in self defense, just to wound, to "teach someone a lesson" is like being rapist who uses a condom. you think it makes you a better person that you didnt kill someone you just wounded him? (not you OP in general to everyone) im going to go drink and drive now and if i hit someone i hope i just do enough damage to give them irreparable brain damage just as long as i dont kill them.

    if i was doing a B&E and you shot me, and just wounded me, ill call the cops myself, claim that "oh, i thought this was my moms house and i forgot my keys." im going to press charges out the ass, sue you for everything you have, and enjoy doing 5 maybe 3 on good behavor. and ill win with whatever i make up.

    dead men tell no tales
     
  5. MobileMarine

    MobileMarine New Member

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    '' dead men tell no tales '' very true . I also keep one of the questionable guns for those uncertain situations . I guess you never know till your in the situation . pops shot 5 inmates escaping one night , killing 2 . He said he kept firing till every gun in the tower was empty , he got good ol boy pats on the back . today he would lose everything .
     
  6. opaww

    opaww New Member

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    Here in Ky. We can use deadly force to protect property to include your car, shed, garage, ect. that does not give us a right to shoot them just because they are in the yard. No other threat is necessary other then them breaking into your stuff.

    Even though I have taken life in wars I am still a little leery of doing so when there are other options.
     
  7. jjfuller1

    jjfuller1 New Member

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    with your screenname, im sure you have heard the term. "two to the chest one to he head".. now with the scenario's you gave.

    1.. yes i dont care what age what race what riligion what sex. you come at me with any weapon with lethal intent. you are going down and i am walking away.

    2. as angry as i would be and as fun as it sounds, dont shoot. your in more trouble and its not nice. lol. maybe a pistol whip or buttstroke is in order but dont shoot. hold them till the leo's get there.. thats what zipties are for.. you can make people very uncomfortable in certain positions ;)

    3. now this is a little iffy. you failed to mention if they are armed. and being woken up it takes a few moments to collect yourself. so... wake up, load grab a good flashlight as well if its not already attached to your firearm. wake up the wife, have her call 911. then proceed to grab your kids if you have them before investigating... if you have trained at clearing your house begin to do so. if not lock up tight in the bedroom... then. only if they refuse to back down proceed to EXTERMINATE the threat. but if they should run or give up.. dont chase em down to shoot them. just kiss your wife and thank god... and invest in a gaurd dog
     
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  8. dunerunner

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    Example A: I hold him at gunpoint and hope he runs away. If he advances I put one in the chest and the second in the head.

    Example B: Same Answer!

    Example C: Same Answer!
     
  9. jjfuller1

    jjfuller1 New Member

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    but in b and c.. there is no hint of a weapon as stated. hence you are going to jail. and the baddie gets a free ride :p
     
  10. dunerunner

    dunerunner New Member

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    Wrong! They advance eventhough being held at gunpoint. I am therefore unsure of their intent and assume they intend to attack me.
     
  11. jjfuller1

    jjfuller1 New Member

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    i missed where exactly it said they advanced. :p..... prettey sure it says...You come home mid-day and find un-welcome people in your house doing some shopping , and are unarmed and pose no threat...

    hmm shooting someone that poses no threat doesnt seem to be ethical
     
  12. usmcprofessional

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    hahah i like how most of the people here, that are leary as hell of using deadly force to protect themselves, and are the first ones to scream "BUT YOUR GONNA GO TO JAIL!!!11!!" are usually from NY or CA. i feel your pain under those socialist hammers friends.
     
  13. opaww

    opaww New Member

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    Even here in Ky. we can still go to jail if we get the wrong Judge and Prosecutor, regardless if we were in the right of not. Lot of ifs and ors.
     
  14. usmcprofessional

    usmcprofessional New Member

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    ...a fully grown man, going full boar, charging at you in your home, isnt a threat? what the hell do you find as a threat? cause i wanna hang out on a weekend with you.
     
  15. jjfuller1

    jjfuller1 New Member

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    haha. not afraid to use deadly force, i just know what its meant for and in my opinion the last two scenrio's didnt provide enough info on if it was truly needed. im all for ending the bad guys day if its necasary.. now im going by what was originaly stated. not what people hae said oh what IF this happens or that.. that wasnt part of the original statment. just saying
     
  16. rigjumpr

    rigjumpr New Member

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    I know it’s a bumper sticker but, I had rather be judged by 12 than carried by 6. So.. 2 well placed shot center mass. And no, I would not put one to the head unless I had a failure to stop due the drugs and what not.
     
  17. c3shooter

    c3shooter Administrator Staff Member

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    Genties and ladelmen- we are all from different places, with different experiences, differing legal systems, and different hopes and fears.

    So knock off the bickering, already!

    First- if you shoot someone- with anything, anywhere, for any reason- your life will change at that moment. Trust me on this, OK? Just what direction it goes in is based on a LOT of variables- far too many to list here- but it would make a good book.

    Second- you do not "shoot to kill"- you shoot to STOP. While I might enjoy slamming the hood of the car on his head, I do not shoot someone because they are stealing the battery out of my car. Come at me with a wrench while cursing and making threats to do harm to me, and you would get a different result.

    Third- if you think it is possible to "call your shot" (left kneecap, then in the cojones, right side)) when you are in the middle of a conflict/confrontation/fight/mugging/home invasion/robbery, you are either a MUCH better shot than I will ever be, or have a wakeup call coming. Please think hard on that, and let yourself know the answer. Not needed that you share your answer with me. Important that you share your answer with yourself.

    Now be nice.
     
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  18. KalashnikovJosh

    KalashnikovJosh New Member

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    When to shoot?

    When they come for your guns.

    Where to shoot?

    As G. Gordon Liddy said "headshots,headshots".

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  19. armsmaster270

    armsmaster270 New Member

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    Shoot center of mass to stop the threat, if the threat stops you stop shooting, if the person dies that is on them. You do not shoot for the balls, arms that could maim them and they would own you and all your property besides those are hard to hit targets in an Awwww **** situation and if you miss you might die. Those who are attempting to take a life must consider their life may be taken instead.
     
  20. dunerunner

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    I established that as a criteria for firing. Just as if someone says I am going to f..ing Kill you and advances. That is a threat, and a man can cover 10 feet very quickly.

    That move would prompt me to believe I need to use deadly force to protect myself.