What's the future of the 7,62x39

Discussion in 'General Rifle Discussion' started by Mark_Van_Goth, Sep 10, 2013.

  1. Mark_Van_Goth

    Mark_Van_Goth New Member

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    As a former soldier of the JNA and an operator of rifles chambered in 7,62x39, I'm wondering what's your opinion concerning the future of this caliber.Many armies have switched or are switching to the 5,56x45.

    I used the m43 and m67 ammo, and I still find it very effective(especially the m67 ammo)

    ADVANTAGES(compared to the 5,56):
    -Great stopping power
    -Great penetration power
    -Has a greater effective range(it is more stable while long range shooting)
    -It is available in great quantities in Europe,Asia,Africa and now even in America(In consistent quantities...nothing exceptional, but...

    DISADV.(Compared tot he 5,56)
    -It causes a relatively "clean" wound.THE 5.56 may tumble and cause severe damage to the tissue
    -I hasn't a flatter trajectory than the 5.56.
    -Is not as controllable as the 5.56
    -It is heavier and you cannot bring much ammo with you(7 mag 7,62 = 10mag 5,56(info must be verified))

    What is, in your opinion, the future of the 7,62x39 cartridge?
     
  2. steadyshot

    steadyshot New Member

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    Well, considering there are a millions of these firearms chambered in the 7.62x39mm cartridge still in use around the world, I don't think the round is going to disappear any time soon.
     

  3. NC1760

    NC1760 New Member

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    Agreed.. but another advantage the 5.56 has over it that you didn't list is the fact that a rifle chambered in 5.56 can also fire the .223... and a variety of weapon makes can fire that and it's commonly available... at least in non-panic times.
    ...While I'm not a ballistics/caliber expert, I don't think the 7.62x39 can chamber & fire any other (at least commonly available) round. If anyone can dispute or offer a rebut I would like to hear... After all, I mainly stay here at the forum to learn something now & again :)
    I find it all to be a personal preference thing... and I'll never begrudge a fellow shooter of what they are comfortable with. And just like listening to Elvis AND The Beatles.... You can be a fan of both.
     
  4. M605

    M605 New Member

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    I was at the Medina county Ohio GS Sunday and since this followed me home I am hoping they have a good future.

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    1979 Romanian AKM-47 7.62x39 with matching numbers. Receiver only had 10 rounds through it. Got to shoot it last night and it runs like a Cadillac.
     
  5. 303tom

    303tom Well-Known Member

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    That`s like asking what's the future of the 7.62x54R & I don`t see it going away real soon !.................
     
  6. therewolf

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    The way I see it, it's so popular with recreational shooters now,

    worldwide, that, like the 7.62X51, (I said "LIKE", PLEASE READ the post)

    it will always have a place on the shelf at the LGS, and sporting

    goods store.

    If enough militaries adopt 5.56 and 5.45 rifles, cheap combloc ammo

    may stop being manufactured, and get shot up. But many users are

    gradually purchasing and saving the boxer primed brass for reloading,

    anyway.
     
  7. CrazedJava

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    At this point Russia has pretty much moved away from it, right? I think I saw something late last year that Spetsnaz may be keeping some older rifles around but all regular units have moved over to 5.45mm.

    What kind of future it may have really depends on the old Eastern Bloc countries, many of which made their own AK Pattern rifles. As they look to modernize will they stick with the AK or move to something newer? If they move to something else, will it be something chambered in 7.62x39mm? I'm betting they probably don't though. It seems like most countries follow the US or Russia and I'll be all those rifles using 7.62mm will eventually be replaced by 5.45mm or 5.56mm.

    However, with millions of AK's in circulation and it still being the rifle of choice for much of the Middle East I don't anticipate 7.62x39mm going away in my lifetime. I do wonder if we'll see any new firearms chambered for it and find the prospect unlikely.
     
  8. Jpyle

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    Russian moved away from the 7.62 x 54r in 1947 and it is still cheap and plentiful. Unless Obama issues an EO to ban the importation of military caliber ammo there is little chance that supplies of 7.62 x 39 will be depleted in your lifetime. There are tens of millions of AK and SKS rifles in circulation around the world.
     
  9. therewolf

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    I think it will be interesting to see who else makes a M43 Bolt Action.

    Within it's limits, IMO, it's a viable round, who's accuracy has yet

    to be truly tested.
     
  10. orangello

    orangello New Member

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    The continent of Africa, not to even mention the middle eastern countries, should keep people loading 7.62x39 for many many years.
     
  11. therewolf

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    7.62X39- The Middle East's 9mm-:D
     
  12. samnev

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    IIRC isn't the PKM in 7.62X54R? If so it is still in use by Russia.
     
  13. JonM

    JonM Moderator

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    There is reason you don't see .311 bullets in 123 grain range used in any long range matches or even service rifle type matches. The 7.62x39 is a simply terrible cartridge for long range accuracy and energy retension.

    Its very popular here in the usa several ammo makers one of which being winchester make quality factory ammo for this chambering. We have almost no supplies of milsurp of this caliber. Pretty much everything we get here is factory new production. So its got a bright future so long as rifles chambering it keep being sold.
     
  14. kryptar19

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    You got to it before I did JonM. 5.56/.223 has the greater effective range. 7.62x39 is good for 250-300yds realistically.
     
  15. kryptar19

    kryptar19 New Member

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    BTW, the 7.62x39 is one of the most popular rifle cartridges ever. It is here to stay.
     
  16. primer1

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    Shut up! Don't give O any ideas! :) :p
     
  17. hq357

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    Saw some 762x39 at walmart for 5$ for 20 rounds i dont even own a 762x39 rifle i just bought it because i can ;) it was cheap and was at walmart!
     
  18. orangello

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    But at 300+ yards, will the 5.56 be effective against anything tougher than the cardboard behind the target paper?

    Wasn't that the reasoning behind the reemergence of the M14 and 7.62x51 in our recent actions in Iraq and Afcrapistan?
     
  19. 7point62

    7point62 Lifetime Supporting Member Lifetime Supporter

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    Absolutely. 7.62x51, my favorite round. We qualled at 500 yrds with iron sights. And the M60's on the MG range, same round, 800 yards. Its a beautiful thing.
     
  20. unclebear

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    I don't think the round is going anywhere for a long time, I use my AKM for home defense just because I know for a fact who ever gets hit with the rounds aint goin to be on his feet for long. But also it's actually not a bad round for hunting, I know of at least 7 guys in town that use SKS's for deer hunting and love them. Then in some other places I know a few people that use them for hogs and other critters. Plus with the fact that the ammo is usually cheaper then the 5.56 along with but always the guns that shoot it I just don't think the round is going anywhere.

    It's kinda like the 30-30 or the 7.62X54R they've been around for years and years so I think the 7.62x39 will be on that list too.