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Discussion in 'General Rifle Discussion' started by KaiTheGunGuy, Jul 30, 2011.
I just wanted other peoples opinion. I would go into combat with an M14 EBR.
The one that kills the bad guys. Thats all I care about. If the boomstick works give it to me.
I like the M14 but it would get a bit heavy after a while. I'll take the M-4 cause if I gotta carry heavy I'm taking the 240 or the 249.
welcome to the forum. stop by the intro orum and tell u a bit about yourself.
The one in your hand, as opposed to the one in the safe. if all you have is a 22 rifle, it beats nothing.
I would prefer to never walk into combat, but if combat came calling and I HAD to choose, it would be my vz58.
FWIW, the deadliest weapon I have ever held was black. Weighed about 4 ounces, about 7 inches long. Attached to a radio. With an artillery battery and bomber pilots on the other end.
What's the "best" rifle to go into combat with?
The one that you are most proficient with. Simple, yes, but still not complete...
As usual, doctherock has nailed the factor that relates to the operator/usability factor. Another way of looking at the weight/ammo factor, is remembering that the ages old problem for the infantryman, is how much ammo can be carried, and still be effective on offense and defense...
Logistics is a very real problem, yes, even down to the individual operator. Without re-supply for what could be extended periods, threat assessment mandates realistic load-outs for plausible scenarios. Going beyond those pre-planned/prepared scenarios is really skating on very thin ice... Do so at your own peril...
For me, I've either of two choices, if mid-range is denied me... Out to 1000m, I have specific rifles. Nowadays, that's mid-range. So, for short range to mid-range, out to 750m, I've got a PTR MSG-91. CQB to outer boundary of short range, 300m, I've a PTR 32KFR.
The PTR 32KFR is a precision rifle designed on the same plan as its big brother, the MSG-91, but in 7.62X39 caliber. It's match barrel, with precision optics and world class ammo for it's caliber, can reliably engage enemies out past 300m, during either day or night.
Currently, the PTR 32KFR rides in my vehicle, 15 mags of 25rds each, ride in a separate tool bag, also within the vehicle. As my vehicle weapon, it's compact in it's 5.11 discrete case, topped with a 4X32 Army ACOG, ATI furniture, and wearing an M6X, a Blackhawk single sling, a GPS-02 Grip-pod, and for night ops, it has an ATN Aries Mk440 Gen2+ night scope. Mags are loaded with MFS-2000 FMJ and Hornady SST ammo.
Planning on enlisting and helping our troops overseas out? If so, congratulations. But you'll wind up with whatever they issue you. Want an M-14? All you have to do is out-shoot everyone else and make yourself a candidate for one. Otherwise, learn to like the M4.
Make too much of a fuss about which rifle you want though and you're liable to wind up schlepping a radio, a heavy machine gun tripod or a mortar baseplate. It seems to work that way when you stand out by asking for things.
Welcome aboard, Kai. Nice choice in rifles.
Swing into the intro room and tell us about yourself. Then come back and we can talk about M14s. I'll get us a quiet table in the corner.
Best rifle? For Me?
One that launches a multiple warhead nuclear weapon. One shot, they're all dead!
Back to rifles I would just stick with the M4. Reliable, light, and accurate.
I love this answer. The radio is more powerful than the rifle, artillery, air strikes and you have it all in the palm of your hand.
Thats a hard one. If it is between modern weapons, it would be between an ak47 or an m4. and it also depends on the terrain that you will be on. if it is thick swamy jungle terrain or just urban terrain, I would pick the ak due to it's ruggedness and more powerfull caliber. If it was in open terrain like plains and fields, it would be the m4 due to its greater accuracy.
Personally, I would perfer to carry both (weight does not bother me) but if I could only carry one, it would be the AK because they rarely break down and the ammo is easy to find anywhere in the world.
combat rifle ?
There are so many different rifles for just as many different applications...but given real world ''me'' vs ''them '' . ''Them'' being any Person( s), organization ,military unit , law enforcement dept ,zombies ,aliens ,apes and crack /meth heads trying to harm my family (shtf scenarios) . My vote would be the ak-47 because..... Samuel L. Jackson say's ak -47 ...when you positively have to kill every m*&^%$ f$%^&%$ er in the room !
This was a real question? Well, OK!
The M4A2 select fire (Semi-Auto / 3 Shot Burst) carbine 5.56 NATO. IMO, this is the modern battle rifle.
for this country and Israel, maybe a few others. hell, even the Brits are going to the 7.62. and then every other country uses the AK-47 or some other variant. dont name out the standard M4 just cause its 'Mericas gun. i hated that damn thing. i always kept it clean as much as i could in fear of it jamming though it never did. sorta like a catch 22. and dont get me started on the mags. then again, if you were in the Army, the M4 is a badass. In the Marines ehh..chances are you didnt have a good relationship with her.
The M4 is everywhere, unless you're in Serbia or Somalia. Parts, or replacement guns are available (they are in every police station, armory, etc.). Ammunition is also everywhere, from the above mentioned sources to your neighbors ammo stash.
If you are talking about a New selection for a battle rifle Then an AK variant in the 7.62 might be desirable, but I haven't used one in battle, crawled through the mud with one, been through a sand storm with one. I went with what is readily available, supportable, accurate and proved to be effective from my experience.
Not saying the AK hasn't proved to be an effective battle field rifle, I'm saying that if it ever breaks and you are not in an area where there are parts guns, or if you run out of ammo and there isn't a good quantity of resources; you're S.O.L.
OK, not to hijack the thread, but I really have to ask...why do people on these forums constantly say stuff like this:
Do you really think that there is any conceivable scenario in which you will be able to just walk into a police station or military installation and just take stuff?
Come on. Seriously? That's like saying that you'll be able to gun down police officers and soldiers and take their kit, and that's something else that people seem to say or imply a lot on these forums.
Really, people? Is that what you're planning to try? And even if it is, even if you do plan to turn your guns on the good guys, do you honestly think that all by your lonesome, you can successfully beat trained professionals who work as a team?
I get so tired of hearing this theme pop up on these forums, and I have to wonder just who these posters are and what they're thinking.
the M4 type is everywhere, in U.S. gunstores. the most populated, manufactured, commonly used, copied, bought and sold weapon in the world is the AK-47. Although more people love the M4 here in the U.S. there are still more AK's here than AR's. And as for ammo, you can buy 5.56 everywhere, but more people carry different makers and alot more wholesale of 7.62x39mm in the U.S.
and AK's are in police stations and armories too, in the evidence lockers. and as for breaking it comes down to the make just like AR's. dont buy a yugo or a hipoint. Ive dug a fence post with my maadi, and cleared the barrel with a round. instant love. the Ak's not the best rifle in the world. but brother come on, the M4? say the FAL or something please
Sorry, the FAL's I've handled are heavy. As I said, I haven't any experience with the AK although I realize they are all over the place and popular due to low maintenance and their ability to throw projectiles down range. It is my understanding that there are accuracy issues with the platform, though; but I may be mistaken.
The Kalashnikov in 7.62X39 is, as you said....Everywhere. Adopted by the Soviet military in 1972 and modified, adapted and distributed throughout the world by the Soviets, Chinese, Bulgaria, Romania and a host of others. Not many in this neck of the woods in the same quantities as the M4 and although there may be thousands in every evidence locker or stored away at ATF somewhere, most get destroyed some survive.
I guess what I'm looking at is that if you and I are called back into service to fight in a ground conflict, the local armory will be issuing the M4. If they hand me an AK, I'll know I'm cannon fodder. At 61......I wouldn't care, but I wouldnt go down alone!!