whats better, 47 or 74

Discussion in 'AK & SKS Discussion' started by Pjj342, Oct 30, 2010.

  1. Pjj342

    Pjj342 New Member

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    The ak is legendary for its reliability in mud, dirt, and crappy weather. I have my mind made up on a Saiga, but which caliber? 7.62 is the round the gun was designed for, but the 5.56/223 seemes to be more accurate down range. Which would be better?
     
  2. jpattersonnh

    jpattersonnh Active Member

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    7.62x39 is an AK47/ Wsar10, 5.45x39 is an AK74/Wasr/ Sar 2, 5.56 is a Wasr/ Sar 3. 5.45 and 5.56 are a toss up as far as accuracy. Forget the Saiga. Great for Ma. or Ca. dwellers, but the rest of us can own real guns, well almost all.
     

  3. billdeserthills

    billdeserthills New Member

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    Awww now don't hafta crap on Saiga, but if think about Saiga I want you to focus on the Saiga-12. Meanwhile one nice thing about AK-74 is that some surplus is still around? Also as pointed out, ak-74 emulates ar round- For myself, I prefer AK-47 round for it's harder strike, although I prefer the .308 or 7.62x51. For a bigger hit check out the 7.62x54r, still findable inexpensive ammo by the case too.
     
  4. Quentin

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    I went for the ultimate rough, tough and cheap AKM, the WASR-10 in 7.62x39. The Saiga is a good alternative for a similar price but you do have to convert it if you want that AK "look" and access to cheap surplus AK magazines.

    As far as caliber, that's up to you. There are advantages to each one so give it some thought before choosing. I went with the original since it's plenty good and I knew I'd be getting an AR in 5.56. I'm tempted by 5.45x39 but don't really need it, what I have now keeps me busy.
     
  5. jpattersonnh

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    I've been down the 7.62x39 road. IMHO the 5.45 is easier to handle and more accurate at range. 129.00 for 1080 rounds delivered, $5.95 per 30 round mag.......
    For a $560.00 investment you could have a great rifle, 2160 rounds of ammo and 5 or more 30 round mags.
     
  6. gatopardo

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    Rifle?

    What is it for? cheaper is better so the 5.56 I would choose.

    Mud and dirt but are irrelevant unless you go into the service in which case you'll not be given a tool of your choice.

    For outdoor range 5.56 has a flatter trajectory, more accuracy.

    By the way AK47s are not legendary for their accuracy, but for their firepower, the darn thing rains on you.
    But you wont be getting a full auto anyways so that info is irrelevant.
     
  7. Quentin

    Quentin New Member

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    True but I already have an AK in 7.62 and AR in 5.56. I really can't justify another rifle right now... :D
     
  8. Ruzai

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    I could be a thorn and tell you skip both and get the 6.5 Grendel since it is an awesome comprimise ballistically but I wont do that since you asked specifically between the AKs.

    The Ak-74 was produced to meet the needs of fighting against the m16's distance advantage and still rain hell like its big brother, the Ak-47.
    But the Ak-74 shoots a different cartidge than the 5.56/223, though I believe Saiga offers a 5.56/223 AK style rifle but should not be confused with the AK-74.

    The original AK-47 was chambered in 7.62x39, which is a very effective hard hitter up to approximately 250 yards. The 5.56 NATO is effective up to 750 yards, give or take a 50, depending on your particular loading.
    As stated before the 5.56 NATO and 5.45 are a toss up but from what I can tell there are more choices for reloading and what not for 5.56 NATO and 223.

    Ballistically speaking, if you are looking for the end all beat all AK style rifle I would try and find a Saiga .308 post-converstion. The only reason I say this is because ballistically the .308 (aka 7.62x51 NATO) is superior to both rounds iin accuracy and effective range. But of course the .308 Saiga can get heavy in a full house round like the .308.
     
  9. diggsbakes

    diggsbakes New Member

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    The AK-47 and 74 are hard to compare in "better and worse" terminology. The '74 was designed to provide infantry with a rifle that had an intermediate cartridge that was faster and more accurate. The AK-74 in it's original design was also bragged to be even MORE reliable that the '47. Some of this was due to the addition of a larger extractor claw. About half of the parts interchange between these two rifles.

    The major difference in these two rifles is the projectile alone. In current conflicts (Iraq and Afghanistan) most of the rifles deployed into battle are of the '74 variant, in order to achieve greater accuracy at distance, however the 7.62 x 39mm is an excellent penetrating round, so at least one soldier is equipped with a '47 in the case of having to reach "through" things.

    Sure the 5.45 x 39mm is cheap. . . but supply depends solely on foreign import. Many American manufactures have been producing the 7.62 x 39mm for decades, so it's here to stay.

    Before you decide. . . read a book. There is also an article at the top of this section explaining some of the current AK game.

    Good Luck!
     
  10. jpattersonnh

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    But, at the $108.00 shipped per 1080 as it was, it made it easy to buy a few extra cans. 7.62x39 is coming back down, with the influx of more Com-blok ammo. Yugo brass case 7.62x39 is running 199.95 per 1250 rounds on sale.

    .16 for 7.62, .11 for 5.45.
    I remember buying Cases (2 cans) of 7.62x39 for $42.00. After Clinton it jumped to $62.00. I don't go out and shoot 600...1200 rounds a day anymore, so having a few extra cans is enough. BTW, it was easy to get the handgaurds on a 7.62 SK/AK smoking, I can't do that w/ 5.45.
    I had a couple very accurate Soviet 7.62 rifles back in the day, but really am not super impressed by anything I see these days, not the same quality. I like the Wasr2(Sar2), it has a Romanian made receiver, chrome chamber and bore. Just really made right and very accurate. Tapco G2 trigger group, Stainless gas piston, and pistol grip are the U.S. made parts. They are quality parts! I use mine for target, plinking, and hunting Vermin. They work w/ 5 round .223 AK mags, but only hold 4 rounds. W/ a simple red dot, 60gr HP ammo, and 5 round mag it makes for a great 200 yard vermin hunter. It is a very versitile platform, fun too.
     
  11. icerider

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    AK in 5.56

    Arsenal Inc. builds an AK in 5.56 or .223. It is built in Bulgaria and the US. It is a beautiful rifle and very accurate. The 5.45x39 mags work just fine in it but I recommend getting the correct mags so if you have both calibers like I do, you can't mix them up. AS for which is better, it depends on what you want to do with them. If you get hit with a 7.62x39 you will get knocked off your feet. If you are hit with the 5.45 you will be in trouble really fast. The bullet nose folds over and the 70 grain projectile starts tumbling and going base first. The 5.45 will out shoot and out penatrate the .223 but just doesn't quite have the range. There are several Russian military videos on Youtube showing this.