What would be considered best shtf location

Discussion in 'Survival & Sustenance Living Forum' started by Chester, Apr 11, 2008.

  1. Chester

    Chester New Member

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    I'm in rural Alabama, i got a couple of acres to grow food on. And wood to burn, What else should be considered?
     
  2. gnoll

    gnoll New Member

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    well this is a good one
    you want like some chickens and goats or some cows
    think about a still for fuel grade alcohol
    a shop stocked with all kinds of tools and spare parts for your truck
    and maby some hidden places for other stock piles
     

  3. fapprez

    fapprez New Member

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    Yeah, and how about a clean source of water? Water seems to rarely be mentioned. If I were to pick a "spot" for a SHTF situation, it would be away from any Large, metro type cities, yet a half of a tanks drive to a smaller city. I would be in the forest for an abundance of food and shelter and quite possibly up on a mountain side, but below the timber line for tempeture reasons.

    I sure as hell wouldn't hang around here. I'm only an hours drive from Macdill AFB.
     
  4. ScottG

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    I'd say forget the cows, too much food and water needed or open range. Might lose them to rustlers. Chickens for food, eggs, and fertilizer. Goats for milk, food and (some) trash disposal.

    If you're talking no govt interference, the corn squeezins can be used as currency as well as fuel.

    You'd probably want a few dogs as early warning devices too. A nice, fortified house wouldn't hurt either. Hopefully you have a self contained water supply. A generator if you're set up for one, use the likker to fuel that if you can.

    Grow whatever food you want to eat and is good in your area. Unless you plan to process your own flour or corn meal, I really wonder what kind of diet most of us would manage to have on our own. You'd have to find someone to trade your surplus with to get manufactured items, otherwise you'll soon end up naked or wearing scraps for clothes if a long term disaster strikes. I'm not sure how many people really take such things into account when ruminating on survival after a disaster. We'd like to think we'd be just like the pioneers, but we don't really know how to do as many things as they did to survive on their own in a hostile environment without an industrial base nearby.
     
  5. Chester

    Chester New Member

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    I'm very close to the cleanest large water supply in the state and maybe the nation, i also have a national forest not very far away (maybe 30 miles).
     
  6. hillbilly68

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    Scott, you hit the nail on the head; most of the conjecture about "survival" is not rooted in harsh reality. Most who fantasize about the "SHTF" "NWO" etc etc are akin to the airsoft community. The cold hard reality just isn't accounted for.
     
  7. Chester

    Chester New Member

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    Some of us do realize we're not equipped with the survival knowledge we could need. What better way to find some info than to ask those who have the knowledge. As for me I'm not so far removed from the old days that alot of it would come back to be known
     
  8. bkt

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    +1. What does it matter if you're pretty well stocked with food, water and other supplies if you can't defend it?

    Sadly, this is true. It would make a lot of sense to learn how to can, pickle, ferment, distill, smoke, grow, harvest, build and forage effectively.
     
  9. fapprez

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    We also seem to think that we would be the only ones in the woods. I anticipate the chanes of meeting someone in the forest would be high in a SHTF situation. Every hunter, fisher, outdoorsman and hippie would "Head for the Hills". I say introduce yourself and use each others skills. After all, wouldn't a small community of sportsman be better than going it alone? ( let the fisherman fish, the hunter hunt, ect.)
     
  10. ScottG

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    I agree with you, I just pointed out it wouldn't be as easy or romantic as many people seem to think if this kind of situation happened. I know very little needed to survive "in country." I understand that meat doesn't grow on beef trees and ready packed in plastic for the store, but I couldn't efficiently and correctly dress any animal I had to kill for food. I'd waste most of it.

    My grandparents could survive, even my dad probably could, but he hasn't lived on a farm since the late 40s and I never did. Mom used to can things and I could probably recall the methods to can with glass jars and wax, but I'd still suspect I'd end up poisoning myself and others at this point. :p

    That would be exactly what happens. It would be nice to band into a group instead of going it alone, but then that pesky Nockish "remnant" talk starts up. :rolleyes:
     
  11. Dillinger

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    Okay, am I the only one that read that and actually chuckled out loud? That was funny Scott....

    I'm with you - I know killing an animal would be easy enough, but then what the hell do I do? I haven't gutted and cleaned an animal in close to 20 years. I'd end up with a bunch of scraps of varying sizes and probably end up ruining the best parts of the meat when I cut the bladder by mistake or something.

    While I am definitely all prepared for a few days, even a couple of weeks, should something go down, if I had to revert to pioneer living I would probably end up trading some of my nice shiny stuff for food. :rolleyes:
     
  12. DSAPT9

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    The best place to live is any place your not getting shot and has water. The rest depends on your knowledge.
     
  13. Recon 173

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    Don't forget that rabbits are pretty easy to raise like chickens. You might want to consider some of them too.
     
  14. jocww

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    What does SHTF mean sorry Im a noob
     
  15. Dillinger

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    Survivalist term for Sh*t Hits the Fan.... End of Days, Zombies walking the Earth sort of thing. :D

    JD
     
  16. CA357

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    My goal has been to have one year's worth of food and other supplies stored. I believe that I realistically have about three to four month's worth of food laid by, with various amounts of other sundries and supplies stocked.
    It's a bunch of stuff and it takes up some space too.

    I've made it a habit to always be on the lookout for supplies and survival items. I've learned quite a bit from where I started and it required a readjustment of mindset.

    If you think about the minimum you and your family consume, you'll find that it's an awful lot of stuff. If you then add the basics like water, heat, shelter, hygeine and defense, it can be overwhelming at first.

    For me, I just steadily add to the cache of both supplies and my knowledge. It's a continuing and challenging journey.

    As far as a SHTF location, we hope to be moved to a semi-rural area in the Northwest in time for Christmas.
     
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  17. RL357Mag

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    LOL - I agree - although I think it would all come back as the hunger pangs got worse - I have to disagree about selling my nice "shiny things" if what you mean is guns....I'm currently looking into purchasing water filtration/purification devices since that will be the most important commodity in any situation. You can only store so much water - I believe it has a shelf life also?
     
  18. c3shooter

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    Well, this country boy remembers how to dress and butcher a deer- or pig or steer. In a survival situationm you will need CARBOHYDRATES more than protein. FAT has the highest energy lb for lb. As far as water, if pure when stored stays pure. My storage system is called a well. Altho I do keep a PUR backpackers filter- about size of a can of soup, will filter bacteria, cysts, radionucleides, etc. Re: trading "shinies" for food- hope you got a lot, and they are real shiny. If times are THAT bad, the price of cornbread just went WAY up!
     
  19. coltm4

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    i have a problem. i live in central long island. to my west is NYC. definitely not an option for getting off the island. to the east is the hamptons and other vacation spots. the pine barrens are out there too so that's probably a good place to settle for a while. there's lots of deer and kettle ponds. it's vast tract of wilderness. the mob likes to bury bodies out there. i could get on a boat and cross the sound to conecticut. i the shtf people on long island will run out of food and clean water fast. all freight has to pass through the city to get in or come on a boat. talk about a bad situation. i know many of you will say to move. but this is where is grew up and this is where i make my liveing.
     
  20. coltm4

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    fat is used by the body to store long term energy and will not render the type of energy needed on a daily basis. people on high protein/fat diets tend to be more lethargic and tire easily. if you look at the diets of nomadic tribes in less developed counties protein and animal fats only consist of about 1/3 of their diet. they get massive amounts of carbs from picking wild plants and roots. don't get me wrong, i love big juicy, bloody steaks but in a long term survival situation we'd all have to start chowing down on more salad.