What size scope

Discussion in 'Optics & Mounts' started by iahunter87, Nov 6, 2013.

  1. iahunter87

    iahunter87 New Member

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    I'm getting ready to purchase a 25-06 rifle and wanting to know scope size. Have been looking at 4-12 and 4 -16. Don't plan on shooting a country mile but want a good amount of range.
     
  2. Anna_Purna

    Anna_Purna New Member

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    what kind of terrain are you going to be in? Wide open deserts, or meadows. Mountains and forests, thick brush? and is this for hunting, or for killing paper targets?
     

  3. Axxe55

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    the intentions of the rifle will dictate the size of scope needed.
     
  4. Anna_Purna

    Anna_Purna New Member

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    I have a 6x24 powered scope on top of my 25.06 that is great for sitting on top of a mountain and shooting across canyons, or deserts, but is totally useless in forests and thick alders, etc. because it cant focus on something at close range. And most the time when I am shooting it, it is placed on the lowest setting (6 power).

    If you want a good variable scope, something like a 3x9x40 is all you would need. If your gun is going to be used in forests, etc, Id get a 1.75 x 6 or something.

    If you plan on shooting rock chucks only, something like a 3x12x40 can do all your needs.


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  5. iahunter87

    iahunter87 New Member

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    Used for deer hunting and coyote hunting some wooded areas but also open crop fields that some r pushing 400 - 500 yards
     
  6. p35bhp55

    p35bhp55 New Member

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    Here's mine. A 4x16x50 Black Diamond, but the gun is a tank anyway. If yours has a normal barrel I would go with a 3 or 4x12x40 or 42. I have 2 Fullfields, the Diamond and a Leo that all go to 12 or more and I can focus a clay pigeon at 600 yards on 12, more clarity beats more power. Lot's of old sniper scopes were straight 10 power.
    BTW I haven't got the 25 out past 500, dunno if it works or not just haven't tried.
     

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  7. p35bhp55

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    trying again.
     
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    Other than the extra cost of the 3x12x40 is there another reason you favor the 3x9?
     
  9. Anna_Purna

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    Price, and unless you are using a good rest, the higher magnifications are just going to introduce more 'shake' in the viewfinder. From your breathing, wind, shooting position, etc. My scope will go to 24 power, but the only time I really use it is to view the moons of jupiter! When Im shooting, the 6 power setting gives me the widest field of view, and less shake or wobble. Using a rest will get rid of the wobble, but by the time you find a good rest, your animal will more than likely have run off.
     
  10. Txhillbilly

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    A 3-15 or 4-16 power scope would suite you fine for those types of ranges.

    I'd suggest buying the best glass that you can afford,even if you have to buy a lower powered scope. You can never make up for clarity and performance of a quality scope.
     
  11. nitestalker

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    When purchasing a hunting scope it is not just about power of magnification. The Field of view at is a major issue. The higher magnification scopes are great for paper and Prairie Dogs. Higher magnification translates to more narrow fields of view.
    For a big game hunting scope a wide field of view is necessary. That Bull elk will start moving and walk right out of your limited field scope. I have used a six power Austrian scope with heavy wires for many years.:)
     
  12. Txhillbilly

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    Maybe it's just me,but I have never had any problems hunting with any of my rifles with my Sightron SIII 6-24x50 scopes,and I have 5 of them on my long range set-up's,as well as two 6-24x50 Weaver Classic Extreme's on my 223 Varmint rigs.
    I've shot hogs and coyotes at under 50 yards running with these scopes. Now,they are always set at 6x when hunting,unless I need to reach out pretty far on the critters.It all comes down to being used to your equipment.

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  13. John_Deer

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    For hunting I like just a plain 4x fixed power scope. I can cover anything from 3 to 300 yards with a 4x scope easily. I have a 4x on my 270. The only time I use the 270 is open fields where it is difficult to estimate the range. What looks like 300 yards can easily be 350 yards or more. I do carry binoculars when I hunt so I don't have to use my scope for binoculars.
     
  14. p35bhp55

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    Fair enough, but a 3x12x40 set on 3 isn't any more shaky than the 3x9. Granted many time folks will buy the larger scope just because the 3x9 is so common. The other thing is it's hard to get side focus or AO in many cases on the 3x9 models. If you do shoot out to longer ranges it helps to be able to focus the scope. I will admit that for hunting I set my AO on 200 and forget about it. What seems to happen with long shots is first you find a rest then get the target in the crosshairs and fiddle with the power ring and focus. At shorter ranges you can't do this cause your critter will be long gone. Oh yeah, you said that :D
     
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    Fair enough, but a 3x12x40 set on 3 isn't any more shaky than the 3x9. Granted many time folks will buy the larger scope just because the 3x9 is so common. The other thing is it's hard to get side focus or AO in many cases on the 3x9 models. If you do shoot out to longer ranges it helps to be able to focus the scope. I will admit that for hunting I set my AO on 200 and forget about it. What seems to happen with long shots is first you find a rest then get the target in the crosshairs and fiddle with the power ring and focus. At shorter ranges you can't do this cause your critter will be long gone. Oh yeah, you said that :D
     
  16. nitestalker

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    The scope is focused on the Subjective lens. The Adjustable Objective lens is usually reserved for scopes of 10X and above. The AO is not a simple focus adjustment. The AO is for "Parallax" corrections at specific ranges. Scopes with critical Parallax correction in higher powers are intended for obtaining a positive cross wire to target sighting point. I have seen such references as "View Finders" sorry these are not cameras. ;)
     
  17. Anna_Purna

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    Yep, its you, and your in Texas. Come up here and you would be lucky to see 10 to 15 feet past some of the trees. For my bear gun a leupold 1.75 x6 can barely focus on those kinds of distances, but I'd bet your rifle that your scope wouldnt. ;)
    I'd luv to have some of that magic equipment but alas, Im still getting used to what I gots. :p
    Iron sights are perfect for most conditions up here.

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  18. p35bhp55

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    On a practical basis some pretty well informed folks disagree. I don't know anyone who doesn't turn the SF or AO till it is the clearest view at whatever distance and power they are using and if you look the numbers on the dial seldom matches the range you are shooting to.
    This blurb is from Randy Wakeman at the Guns and Shooting online site.

    V. What of Adjustable Objectives?

    With the exception of air rifles, varmint rifles, and small game applications, adjustable objectives (AO) serve no particular purpose on hunting scopes. Certainly they add little benefit to a big game riflescope. AO does add length, weight, bulk, complexity, and cost. And just because the dial tells you your scope is "parallax free" does not mean it really is.

    Parallax is not readily noticeable until you hit 8X magnification or so, far more magnification than you need at even 300 yards on a big game animal. You may not be able to mount the scope as low as you wish with an adjustable objective, flip up caps can be hard to use, and the last thing hunters should be thinking about with fur in their cross-hairs is tinkering with an adjustable objective setting. An AO might be handy as a focusing tool at the range, but in the field it is hardly a vital feature.

    An adjustable objective is a focusing tool; the "side focus" moniker on some newer scopes speaks to that. At least the side focus models are less cumbersome.
     
  19. Txhillbilly

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    Anna,I've been up there many times.
    In the conditions pictured,any optics over 1-4x are useless,and almost anyone that has any firearms/hunting knowledge should know that.
    I'm not saying that a 6-24 power scope is good for every type of hunting,but I have never had a problem hunting with them from a field of view standpoint.

    Hunter's that try to use their scopes for binoculars may have problems,but I only use my scopes for shooting game/targets. I have a nice set of bino's for glassing the area's that I'm hunting.

    And,we have thicker stuff than that in east Texas!
     
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  20. nitestalker

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    The information you posted states it is a Parallax adjustment. He is correct that having a big game scope with Parallax correction is a poor choice. How does that differ from what I said?
    Mounting big varmint scopes on big game rifles is never a wise choice. I would be amazed to see such a set up on rifle used while horse packing. The sight would be impossible to transport and a snowy wet over cast day it would be ineffective. Would you post the saddle scabbard you use with those set ups?:)