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Discussion in 'Survival & Sustenance Living Forum' started by easterner123, Jun 21, 2009.

  1. easterner123

    easterner123 New Member

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    well, many members of this forum talk of stocking this and endless ammo that. But what happens when your stocked supplies are gone? I know for some people it will be much sooner (such as the younger members like me) as compared to some of the older members who have had a head start. Either stolen, used up, lost to natural disaster, whatever the circumstance, they are now gone. How do you survive? where to go? what to do? how to get more supplies?

    On a less serious note, what would you do if a member of this forum (who was able to prove it) approached you during the shtf scenario?
     
  2. RL357Mag

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    If by "stocked supplies" you mean ammo, I will never run out because I reload and stock many pounds of powder, thousands of primers and bullets, and more .22 ammo than is necessary to survive for many years. The brass lasts for many reloads. Other supplies will eventually run out naturally as they are used, like water, TP, canned food, etc. The idea is to constantly re-supply and rotate. Nothing lasts forever - including your life, so why worry about the inevitable? Just be prepared and have a fall back plan such as the ability to grow food, filter available ground or rainwater, or raise livestock if you live in a rural area. Plans fo the future might include acquiring land for crops and a BOL. If a member approaced me during a SHTF situation I think we would combine forces!
     

  3. easterner123

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    the livestock thing might be a good idea, I live in a rural area with a lot of cows and pastures. We don't have ONE chain store at all what so ever in my town so there is zero stratgetic value to it at all.:cool:

    well, by supplies i meant portable food like MREs and the stuff to get you settled in your location of choice. What would you do after finding your spot?
    And what if someone else took your spot? Negotiate or test your firepower?
    What if Canebrake and JD both wanted the same patch of land and all they had was their custom .45s to duel with while every forum member watched, who would win?:eek::confused:

    I'd be happy to join forces with the guys on this site too, I've got your six if you by the Mass. line guys
     
  4. RL357Mag

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  5. RL357Mag

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    It will be a challenge if things go all to sh!t. But my property is surrounded on three sides by my neighbors' much larger properties. It's all heavily wooded with farmlands and sparse development scattered for miles. Everyone up here hunts, farms, and raises horses. The "city folk" (I was born an lived in a city for 13 years) have virtually no chance of survivng here. I imagine most people will stick together to fight a common enemy - what may not be so easy is defending against some locals when food becomes scarce, and defending small sustenance gardens planted for personal survival. It's just a hypothetical now, but it's interesting to think about.
     
  6. easterner123

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    speaking of defending pastures, my town doesn't have a highway exit into it, and it takes 40 minutes to get there from the highway so people will have to travel a heck of a long way, it'll be a shame but when they get here I wanna survive. RL357 you have a good idea, small sustenance gardens are a good idea
     
  7. RL357Mag

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    20 yrs. ago I bought the smallest Troy Bilt roto tiller made because I had a small house on a 60 x 100 lot. I still have that tiller and it is the best investment I ever made. Every year I have enough fresh vegetables for two people to last all summer. If I knew how to can, I could produce and put up enough for a year. It takes about 45 minutes to prepare a 10 x 30' garden from scratch with my little tiller. After that it's just a matter of using the tiller to turn over the soil every year. Adding compost replenishes the soil. The worst part is weeding...:(
     
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  8. RL357Mag

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    +1 Venison stew when cooked with your own vegetables is more tasty!:) I bought a Seal-a-Meal last year and it's a great tool for lot's of things, including non-food items.
    It wasn't exactly a city - it was the City of Yonkers, NY, about 15 miles north of NYC - and I moved out at age 13... If my parents didn't move us to a more suburban environment, I would never had made it through High School or the Marine Corp because I would either be dead or in jail. There was a lot of racial tension, gang activity, and drug use back in the late 60's. I had to go into NYC for business quite a few years ago, and it just raised my blood pressure and reinforced why I could NEVER again live in an area of high population density. NYC is a nice place to visit - but they can keep it! I vacation in Maine and can't get enough of the solitude.
     
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  9. MrKimber

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    Lets say a "worst case" senario like perhaps north Korea? If Obama became like sick-ill a*shole then the "brown shirts" will be sweeping the nation to steal anything and everything you own, kicking your a*s out on the street to fend for yourselves. How long do you think the wild life will last? Do you think they will allow you to "grow" food? Do you think you can pay for power? You may store up stuff now but if the government goes wild they will be looking for YOUR stash and will not have a problem with killing you to get it out of yours and your families hands. Stash at home? Please do. But don't be surprised if it goes away. Stash some other place? Please do. I have more than 3 years worth of everything and more of some stuff but not in one place, not even in 5 places. When the people are starving and the dictators will not allow any farming or raising livestock or owning anything except a used, wet cardboard box and a shirt and pants what will you do then? Or better yet what will you do before then?

    Your best bet is to get as far away from any populated area you can. You might want to think about a stash now in that area! Plan ahead for several different locations if possable but at least one. Been hiking lately?

    Anyone who is likeminded would be welcome to join our forces. They would be hard pressed to find us but if they did we would simply add them to the group.
     
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  10. RL357Mag

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    If things ever get to the point where the "government is hunting you down", then I suspect guns and ammo will be the most important aspect of survival. Personally I don't worry about that scenario because by the time it gets that bad you'll be too busy reloading to worry about what you're having for dinner. I don't run - I stand and fight for as long as I can. Whoever comes looking to hassle me had better be willing to do the same.
     
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  11. IGETEVEN

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    Something you all forgot during this SHTF scenario, All major coastal states and cities, major ports and coastal ways, along with Washington, D.C. this nation's capital, will be the first destroyed, conquered or put under Marshal Law. We will be kicking it here in the central and northern states.

    It will not matter what you have, who you are, are what kind of supplies and arsenals you have. You all will be pulling a "Grapes of Wrath" scenario and migrating to the central states to survive.
     
  12. RL357Mag

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    I don't know - north central Maine is one rugged country. Hiding out in the mountains of Baxter State Park it would be years before anyone would find you! Of course, once the snow hit, it would be centuries before anyone stumbled upon your bones....
     
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  13. RL357Mag

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    I've hiked Katahdin several times and the desolation, beauty, and water availability in that part of the state is hard to explain. If I was rich and could afford the equipment necessary, I would retire there!
     
  14. IGETEVEN

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    Nobody is gonna bother you up there, you will not be a threat in their eyes and they will not waste the time, man-power or resources for a non-threat. It will be when and if you come down from the mountain and start causing problems is when "they" will respond accordingly. :)
     
  15. RL357Mag

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    Well then the only option is to stock pile a lifetime's supply of sugar, spices, coffee, ammo, candles, pain killers, anti-biotics, clothes, TP, seeds, rice, and water filters...:D
     
  16. IGETEVEN

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    And start growing lots of pot plants and distilling moonshine to barter, trade with and sell for other supplies, cause money, U.S. currency, will be pretty much useless. :D
     
  17. RL357Mag

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    I'd rather pan for gold...I don't drink or do drugs....anymore. I was talking to someone last week who has a friend in Alaska that retrieves appoximately an ounce of gold on a good day. A lot of work no doubt, but when you are homesteading and don't have a job, what else is there to do?
     
  18. IGETEVEN

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    Nobody said you had to consume the products, just use them to survive with. Spent 5 years in Fairbanks, Alaska working security for the pipeline after getting out of the military. I thought I needed a change of pace and lifestyle. Though the money was good, you have really got to like and understand the cold to live there. That 4-5 months of winter where temps average anywhere between 30 and 60 below, ice fog and darkness was just not for me. To damn cold and depressing, but the summers were nice and the fishing and hunting was great. There was a lot of gold prospecting up there too.

    Nobody wants to go there in the winter. Great place to visit in the summer, all them Japanese tourists know that for sure.
     
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  19. RL357Mag

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    True, but I would never make a living selling or trading something that I personally would not use. I don't think I would trade with someone who was a drunk or a pothead either. That could spell trouble down the road. I've gotten rid of my past associations in those area's and have no desire to re-establish them.
    As for Alaska, I always wanted to homestead there - but after doing some reading and talking to people who have been there, and are now back in the states, I have no desire to work that hard just to stay alive. There's a good book "One man's Wilderness" that documents the life of a man who did succeed living alone in a cabin he constructed back in the 60's. In 1998 at the age of 80 he turned his cabin over to the USFS as a museum of sorts. It's an amazing story, but he had a friend who was a bush pilot and brought him supplies once a month or so. I think it would be impossible without that little perk, unless you lived near a town.
     
  20. Mark F

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    The fact is, if it weren't for todays "easy life"... the vast majority of people you know today wouldn't even be alive. You realize how many people depend on medication and other people just to live another day? Let alone having to go out and hunt for food, and fight for basic survival. Make no mistake, if the SHFT happens the culling of the herd would take place and a whole lot of people will die.

    Of course Mother Nature had "designed" the "survival of the fittest" so any species would thrive. We, (humans) side-stepped this CULLING of the HERD, and now the earth is over populated with sickly & incapable people that totally depend on others just to live, let alone survive & thrive.

    So, "if" the SHTF... you will see a fairly sudden depletion of people. The sick & weak will go first. Their supporting members won't be able to maintain these people and still provide for themselves... hence, culling of the herd and the survival of the fittest will once again decide who lives and who dies.

    COLD, HARD REALITY...