what makes a 1911 a 1911?

Discussion in '1911 Forum' started by supertech1158, Jun 3, 2012.

  1. supertech1158

    supertech1158 New Member

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    Now I really want to apologize before-hand for any uproar made by this question that Im sure many will find ridiculous. I am fairly new to guns, so for me it is a legitimate question. What is it about 1911s that makes them a 1911. As in, what separates a 1911 from other semi automatic hand guns? Is it the mechanics? The style? Is it just a brand? Again sorry for the ignorance, i just dont know.
     
  2. Shoobee

    Shoobee New Member

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    1 - they are 45ACP caliber.

    2 - they are single action not double nor double-and-single.

    3 - they have an exposed hammer not hidden like the glock clones.

    4 - they have a grip safety.

    5 - they have a safety switch.

    6 - for the purists they would have to say Colt or Springfield on them.
     

  3. FragOutInc

    FragOutInc New Member

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    The look of a 1911 is an iconic image and was a long standing service pistol. With the beaver tail and and exposed hammer unlike glocks and xd's etc. They have exceptional quality and can with stand about anything you through at them!

    "The M1911 is a single-action, semi-automatic, magazine-fed, recoil-operated handgun chambered for the .45 ACP cartridge,[1] which served as the standard-issue side arm for the United States armed forces from 1911 to 1985. It was widely used in World War I, World War II, the Korean War, and the Vietnam War. The M1911 is still carried by some U.S. forces. Its formal designation as of 1940 was Automatic Pistol, Caliber .45, M1911 for the original Model of 1911 or Automatic Pistol, Caliber .45, M1911A1 for the M1911A1, adopted in 1924. The designation changed to Pistol, Caliber .45, Automatic, M1911A1 in the Vietnam era.In total, the United States procured around 2.7 million M1911 and M1911A1 pistols in military contracts during its service life. The M1911 was replaced by the M9 pistol as the standard U.S. sidearm in the early 1990s.

    The military mandated a grip safety and a manual safety. A grip safety, sear disconnect, slide stop, half cock position, and manual safety (located on the left rear of the frame) are on all standard M1911A1s. Several companies have developed a firing pin block safety. Colt's 80 series uses a trigger operated one and several other manufacturers, including Kimber and Smith & Wesson, use a Swartz firing-pin safety, which is operated by the grip safety."

    check it out more here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1911_pistol
     
  4. Overkill0084

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    By conforming (mostly) to the design laid out by John M. Browning and manufactured originally by Colt for the army approved in 1911. One could argue that the GI version is the purist form of the design. As time has passed many changes have been added. Some to allegedly improve safety (Colt Series 80 update and others). Others to improve accuracy of the shooter & the gun itself (adjustable sights, match triggers, Match grade barrels & bushings). I could go on. Much in the way the AR-15 has evolved to suit different needs, while still being recognizable as an AR-15, so too has the 1911 evolved to become more things to more people.
    As to caliber, .45 acp is the traditional/original chambering. Colt also chambered it in .38 super back in the 30s IIRC. 9 mm, .40, 10 mm & so forth are all Johnny-come-lately's by comparison.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1911_pistol
     
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  5. sputnik1988

    sputnik1988 Active Member

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    While not a traditional 1911.

    1.There are 9mm and 38 super 1911s.

    2.There are double action 1911s.

    3.Double action 1911s dont have an exposed hammer.

    4.Yup, they all have grip safeties as far as I know.

    5. Some Double action 1911s dont have a manual safety.

    6. Pretty much, or Ithaca or Remington Rand.

    I swear I'm not trying to be an @ss. Just sharing info.

    A 1911 is any firearm who's major components are interchangeable with the original Browning design.

    Like llama pistols, they look like 1911s, but they dont interchange, so they aren't really 1911s.
     
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  6. supertech1158

    supertech1158 New Member

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    Thank you all for the insight.
     
  7. CHLChris

    CHLChris New Member

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    The 1911 is also a pistol that can be totally taken apart without special tools. Many polymer pistols are not nearly at the same ease of disassembly.

    It is hard to describe the self-satisfaction of taking apart a steel pistol to all of its parts and reassemble them without much difficulty.
     
  8. cuba

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    Spend a day with one and fire a couple hundred round though it and it will become obvious to you why they are considered one of the best pistol ever made.

    The 1911 is an engineering marvel thats been ahead of the times for over 100 years, sorta like the combustible engine.

    shoot safe, shoot straight, and have fun.
     
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  9. supertech1158

    supertech1158 New Member

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    I do know what you mean about that. Ive got a S&W 645 that is similar to a 1911 i suppose, but i can easily spend 4 hours cleaning. But i enjoy every minute of it.
     
  10. Shoobee

    Shoobee New Member

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    If you say so, Komrad Sputnik. But mine that was issued to me was as I described it. For me that was during cold war days between Viet Nam and Lebanon. Our only significant opponent then was the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics and her fleet.
     
  11. sputnik1988

    sputnik1988 Active Member

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    No doubt, like I said they aren't traditional and I doubt that I'll ever own one.

    In my opinion, it doesn't get any better than a bare bones 1911A1, as far as 1911s go anyway.

    And no, I'm not a commie. Sputnik was a high school nickname. It's a long story. :D
     
  12. Shoobee

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    The 1911A1 is like the AK-47, a really good gun for close-in work, shoots when you drop it in the mud, easy to break apart and clean, lasts forever.

    I would not trust either in civilian life, but for war, they are both perfect.
     
  13. SSGN_Doc

    SSGN_Doc Well-Known Member

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    What isn't to be trusted about either of those platforms in civilian life, out of curiosity?
     
  14. DallasShooter

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    A 1911 pistol is one based on the design of John Moses Browning over 100 years ago. Its design has proved durable and adaptable. The design of the frame is very natural for many shooters. Parts are generally interchangeable but may require fitting. The pistol features an exposed hammer, internal extractor, grip safety, and thumb safety. Although.45 was the original caliber, it is now offered in a variety of calibers and has been for over sixty years. It is manufactured by a number of different manufacturers and this has been the case since shortly after its introduction by Colt. It is available from manufacturers in full size (the original), mid-sized ('Commander'), and compact ('Officers').
     
  15. cuba

    cuba New Member

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    And it's an all around BADD *** GUN.

    shoot safe, shoot straight, and have fun
     
  16. canebrake

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    There has never been much question about it, and it is indisputable after decades of observation that the single-action self-loading pistol - the Colt 1911 and its clones - is the easiest, heavy-duty sidearm with which to hit. The crunchenticker is the most difficult, and the Glock is somewhere in the middle. Shooting a Glock is simply shooting a single-action self-loader with no safety and a very poor trigger. If real excellence is not the objective, this is a satisfactory system to employ. - Jeff Cooper
     
  17. Axxe55

    Axxe55 The Apocalypse Is Coming.....

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    the 1911 is one of John Brownings finest creations in terms or pistols. many used the statement to describe Samuel Colt's Single Action Army, that form follows function, the same can be said about the 1911. solid, reliable, functional and pure design genius executed in blued steel. the workhorse sidearm of the United States military for many, many years and used by other countries military also and many elite military units still use it to this day. there are many words that can describe the 1911, proven in battle, timeless in design and a true companion for the 45 ACP, also designed by Browning.

    the Colt 1911 is probably one of the most copied pistol designs ever, next to the Colt Single Action Army revolver, another timeless and proven design that will probably continue on for many more years to come. the Colt 1911 is the benchmark that others are compared to and sets the standard for the rest of the makers of the 1911.

    i have owned them for over twenty years and if i had to make the choice of only one pistol to own, it would be a 1911 in 45acp. IMO, the 1911 is one of the best if not the best pistols to own and shoot and though i enjoy all of my pistols, my 1911's are the heart and soul of my pistol collection and the ones i want to add more of to my collection than any other type of pistol. the 1911 does stir my emotions when it comes to pistols and has for many years. many others have said that once you buy one, start planning on the next one. no truer words than those when it comes to the 1911!
     
  18. supertech1158

    supertech1158 New Member

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    Is the Colt Gold Cup series not considered a 1911?
     
  19. Kenney

    Kenney New Member

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    I figured anything with the same mechanical aspects of Browning's original design is a 1911. However, I've been *****ed out by guys for wanting a something as small as a rail.
     
  20. supertech1158

    supertech1158 New Member

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    I was on Colts website, and they listed their 1911 models and then in another category listed their Gold Cup models. They looked the same, just with a few upgrades