What kind of groupings should I expect out of a most stock 10/22

Discussion in '.22 Rifle/Rimfire Discussion' started by HotFudge, Dec 25, 2013.

  1. HotFudge

    HotFudge New Member

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    I've been trying to get my 10/22 (16" barrel, ATI ITAC stock, Nikon Prostaff Scope) all lined out and zero'd and it's starting to piss me off.

    I figured, as flat as .22lr flies for the first 75ish yards, I could get it good enough at 25 yards and dead on at 50, and it'd be a good plinker and squirrel killer.

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    Now, this is what it's doing at 25 yards, which seems to me, is more that good enough.

    At 50 (didn't shoot good enough to warrant taking any pictures), I'd be getting 3-4 distinct holes each .25 inches - a full inch apart from one another, which doesn't seem good enough to me at all. It was also pretty windy that day, I'd try to wait until it died down enough to shoot, but it may have been affecting me too.

    I'm newish to this range shooting and whatnot though, so I don't really know what to expect accuracy-wise. What should I be seeing at 25 and 50 yards?
     
  2. SSGN_Doc

    SSGN_Doc Well-Known Member

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    That's about right with just random ammo. You may need to try a few different brands and loads of ammo to find what your rifle really likes.

    I did a pretty extensive test of different brands and loads of .22 ammo to find out which ones my 10/22 really likes. Of course this was a few years ago when ammo was really available. A couple things I also tinkered with and actually noticed that seemed to improve groups a bit:

    - I placed a pressure pad in the barrel channel of the stock toward the forward end, by adding individual layers of duct tape until groups tightened up.

    - I also noticed that the rifle would fire the first round slightly off from the rest if the auto loaded rounds. So, I would load a mag, chamber the first round and fire it at a different point on the target and consider that a throw away shot, then fire the rest for groups.
     

  3. dwmiller

    dwmiller Well-Known Member Supporter

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    Most of us shoot 20-50 fouling shots to season a new barrel before trying for groups. Changing ammo types every few rounds doesn't help either. Each type has its own lube. This changes POI! You should be able to get 0.5-1.0" groups at 50 yards with a stock 10/22 and ANY good ammo. The POI will be slightly different for each type of ammo. The gun may need 500 rounds or more to break in properly before it will group well.

    Clean the barrel well, out of the box has factory oil and is NOT clean. Shoot 50 rounds of one type. Then run a clean, dry patch through from the breach end. Now shoot groups. Repeat whenever you change ammo types. Only oil the bore when you are ready to put the gun up after a session ...;)

    Don't overclean. A full stripdown clean is only needed every 1000 rounds or so. Don't clean from the muzzle end. This puts wear on the crown and important last inch of rifling. Have a cleaning hole drilled in the reciever or get a cleaning rod guide that fits over the muzzle.

    More barrels are ruined by cleaning rods than anything else! Even plastic or aluminum rods ruin barrels, not just steel! Damage is done by the grit that sticks on their sides. Think of a fine file running up and down the bore and wearing away the rifling. Try to make sure the rod comes straight out the bore with no side pressure. A bore guide help with this.

    The cleaning hole drilled through the back of the reciever is the best, but it requires the action to be removed from the stock, and the bolt group out, to clean the barrel. Not the easiest option for a stock 10/22!
     
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  4. Hawg

    Hawg Active Member

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    An out of the box 10/22 isn't the most accurate .22 on the planet.
     
  5. dwmiller

    dwmiller Well-Known Member Supporter

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    No it doesn't compare with most good bolt guns. And its no where near my $1000 10/22 race gun. But it is surprisingly accurate if you take the right steps to get the best out of it.

    Ssgn_docs point of a simple pressure pad is right on. Most guns, not just 10/22's need some tweaking to get the best accuracy. This does not mean a full rebarrel, trigger group and stock is nessesary to get squirrel hunter accuracy. A cheap scope, the pressure pad and maybe a light polish on the trigger should make a fine hunter. Call it $30 including the scope...;)

    Take a look at the posts above see what we actually said. 0.5-1.0" at 50 yards. I can and have done this many times with my own 10/22's out of the box new. And several times with customers guns that "wouldn't group" to prove a point. The break in process needs to be followed, and a single ammo needs to be used for decent grouping. Any quality ammo is this good, match ammo is "much" better.

    The gun is capable of this out of the box. Usually the limit is the shooters capabilities... ;)
     
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  6. JTJ

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    You are right but I have seen out of the box 10-22 rifles shoot under .3" at 25 yards more than once and I have seen it done with factory irons from the sitting position with mini mags. Admittedly the guy was an expert marksman. The rifle still has to be capable of doing it. The best shooter in the world can not make a poor rifle shoot well. Mine has a barrel tension screw 2" in front of the action and it is quite accurate.
     
  7. Vincine

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    I've got a 10/22 TD. The way biggest difference I've seen is with the ammo. With such a small charge and grain, itsy bitsy differences that don't amount to much on a centerfire round, make a HUGH difference in a 22lr. You need to shoot some consistent high end stuff to tease out what's the ammo, what's the rifle, or what's you.
     
  8. Pasquanel

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    If your getting 3-4 distinct holes each .25 inches - a full inch apart from one another the first thing I would check is the scope, make sure all the screws are good and tight.
     
  9. dwmiller

    dwmiller Well-Known Member Supporter

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    If its not this take the scope back and get another. It doesn't take much for something to come loose inside the scope housing. Once it breaks this way, that scope will never group again!

    Wally world Nikon scopes are prone to this because of how they are beat around in shipping before they get sold. Many other big chain stores have the same problem. Best thing you can say for WW is its easy to return stuff.... ;)
     
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  10. stans1xd

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    Here is a target I shot at 50 feet indoors, stock barrel, testing available ammo:

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  11. locutus

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    MY stock 10-22 with 4X Leupold will shoot TEN SHOT at 50 yards with most ammo into about 3 inches. For some crazy reason CCI stingers and Wolf Match will go into 2 inches.

    I can get 3/4 -1 inch groups with Eley Tenex, and RWS R-50. Unforyunately, those Eley and RWS rounds cost 5-6 times as much S NORMAL AMMO.

    I have come to accept that it's a 50 yard max rifle, and I bought Stingers by the case of 5000 when they were available and cheap.

    Most of my other .22s do as well with Remington "Golden Bullet" ammo as anything else other than the high dollar stuff.
     
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  13. jrfusatf

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    Sorry about that, used Savage Mark II at 25 yards indoor. No one is ever at the range have the place to myself that's why I go two to three times a week!


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  14. John_Deer

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    I have had good luck using foam rubber in the forestock. The foam rubber seems to tighten the 10/22 up. You might not notice a difference at 25 yards but you might at 50 yards.
     
  15. yazul42

    yazul42 Active Member Lifetime Supporter

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    I got very lucky with my latest 10/22,, it is the stainless, fiber stocked version. It shot well for me with iron sights right out of the box, and after being scoped, I was very surprised how well it shoots,,, not quite as well as my Marlin 39,, but close. My wood stocked ones as stated before, did require some tinkering and ammo trials,, mine favors Winchesters and CCI's.
     
  16. Curlyjoe_99

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    the above ammo posts are right on, but being relatively new tends to have me thinking that your shooting position and fundamentals may not be tuned yet for range and bench shooting. it takes training and practice.

    did you disassemble and clean the rifle before going out the first time? seriously, break the rifle down and wipe down all surfaces and lightly oil then re-assemble. no need to pull the barrel but double check the barrel screw for tightness. you never know if the rifle may have manufacturing debris inside it.

    so to summarize, double check your fundamentals, double check the cleanliness of the rifle, verify no loose hardware, get above average ammunition and not any bulk (loose) pack ammunition. get the ones that are in trays for this test.
    Start with 100 rds from the same package, run up to 50 rds to warm up the rifle then shoot 3-5 shot groups from a good supported firing position

    suggestion.... ask the range if they have a sled for rifles. basically it's a heavy rack that you fasten your rifle in to. then you shoot your groups. lots of ranges have them, some loan them out for free. that depends on the range that you are going to. it will take you out of the equation and indicate what the rifle can accomplish.

    lastly, once you have finished the above with one batch of ammunition then, try another brand/type. by this time you should get a feel for what performs in the tighter groups for your particular rifle.

    hope some of this helps
     
  17. GTX63

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    Both of my 10/22s were very accurate out of the box up to about 60 yds, then the accuracy drops off due to me more than the gun. That is using winchester ammunition.
     
  18. Pasquanel

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    It seems to like cci's quite well.