What is your favorite milsurp bolt-action rifle?

Discussion in 'General Rifle Discussion' started by Laufer, Jun 17, 2009.

  1. Laufer

    Laufer New Member

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    Having in this category only two MN44s and one LE "Jungle Carbine", it is the JC.

    But I'm biased, because the bores in both MN 44 produce very wide 'groups' at 50 yards, even with the bayos out, being aimed by a true marksman (a friend who still shoots with his military reserve rifle team). The LE is much better.

    Still the LE JC is lightweight, very portable. The only problem is that when pushing the bolt forward, quite often the round goes above and to the left of the chamber and hits the metal wall.
    Despite my older age (53), am too new with guns to know how much to adjust the feed lips.
    Minor tweaking did not help and maybe a stronger mag. spring will help ($10).

    Were the two 44s fairly accurate, it would be a difficult choice.
    Might seek a 91/30 with a bright bore, if one can be found near Memphis, for trade.
     
  2. CA357

    CA357 New Member Supporter

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    I don't have one, so no personal experience, but I would love a Springfield 1903 just because.

    A Carl Gustav Mauser would be my second choice with the Swiss K31 third.

    I've had Mosins too and while they're fun and cheap shooters, their accuracy leaves something to be desired.
     

  3. M14sRock

    M14sRock Active Member

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    I have some Enfields and love them for the speed of their actions and magazine capacity.

    But I have some Mausers and love them for their strength, machining, and accuracy.

    And a K31 that is the most amazingly accurate rifle I could have imagined.

    But the Enfields probably win out in the "favorite" category.
     
  4. RL357Mag

    RL357Mag New Member

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    +1 I have a 1943 No.1MkIII that is a tack driver with a 4x scope. They were arguably the fastest bolt guns ever made, smooth as silk, with no play over the entire length of bolt travel. My M91/30 which is also very accurate, requires a lot of effort to work the bolt. While very accurate, the Mauser bolts are fairly sloppy.
     
  5. hunter Joe

    hunter Joe New Member

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    I don't have one but if I did, Springfield 1903 fur sur.
     
  6. Dillinger

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    I'll take the Pre-64 Winchester, bull barrel "hunting" rifle used by Carlos and company during the early stages of Vietnam.

    Tough to beat what that rifle had to offer for the price the military paid for it off the shelf from Winchester. :D

    JD
     
  7. Rex in OTZ

    Rex in OTZ Well-Known Member

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    Mosins and poor muzzle maintenance

    I had some some different Mosins they can be as accurate as others they had a rough life and had some bone head recruits sawing on the rifling usaeing them steel cleaning rods as they used corrosive ammo they can on average be pretty poor in the accuracy dept, the Finnish Army did counter bore ther muzzles to bring the accuracy back into useable parametrs, i had a 1897 Tula that was counter bored back over 2.5" and it grouped at 4.75" off the bench with its favorite ammo, I had a stock T-53 that was almost new that was a 2"er, and now have a P-27 scoped sporter with 25" barrel the bore is pretty dark, I hadent put it on paper yet that may be the best of all the mosins ive done some plinking with it and has shown potental its neck & neck with my sons Savage 110 at 150 yards we both can skip round the soda pop can!.

    To say any one type is inaccurate isant reall fair, there are accurate models of all the makes and models, problems with Milsurps is finding some that hadent been abused, U.S. Krags,1903 Springfields, Swede Mausers most encounter shoot nice they dident see the the wear and tear some Nations had put ther arms through like the Mosins & Enfields and allot of Mausers were subjected to, I have a 1891 Fucile (1917)Carcano that is is a 2.25"er and a 1891 (1900) Argentine Mauser Sporter that should be pretty good shooter when Ive the Ammo ready for it.
     
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  8. dicky0331

    dicky0331 New Member

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    I would have to say I am a fan of the 1903, followed closely by the k98.
     
  9. stalkingbear

    stalkingbear Well-Known Member

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    I got to agree with dicky. Naturally I'm only talking about the actions with which to build rifles from-not the rifles as issued. If I HAVE to choose an as issued bolt rifle, it's the M-40 hands down.:p
     
  10. Bigcat_hunter

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    I had no idea they used those in nam. I have a sweet spot for pre 64's.
     
  11. Dillinger

    Dillinger New Member

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    It's true. If you read Carlos' book, and even a later one by a guy that was later proved to be 50% full of shi'ite ( letter's home something or other ) they both reference at FIRST using the pre-64 WInchester, but later on having to trade them in for the the Model 700 Remy.

    Carlos never traded in his Model 70 - He ended up keeping it until the end of his second ( ? ) tour, when he got burned.

    The military bought OFF THE RACK "hunting models" from Winchester that had like a 24" bull barrel and the pre-64' action.

    Obviously the rsults speak for themselves. Carlos rarely missed, and he ranked up a ton of probables to go with his confirmed, but then again Carlos rarely missed in the first place. :D

    JD
     
  12. fapprez

    fapprez New Member

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    I am absolutely in love with my M44.
     
  13. Going Postal

    Going Postal New Member

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    Geez, that is a hard question, I have an 03-A3, Garand, K-98, Mosin 91/30, Mosin M44, and a few others and I like them all, but if I could keep only one of them, I would go with the M1 Garand (maybe).
     
  14. ScottG

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    You sir, are a very refined and astute gentleman!

    Sadly, it's not a bolt action. I must choose the '03 Springfield, although the K31 appears to be more accurate in my hands.
     
  15. Rex in OTZ

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    Frenchie's too nice to drag round the country.

    In NorthWest Alaska ther are cabinet guns and useing guns, I have a nice un-scratched cabinet gun a French MAS 49/56, re-chamberd to 7.62 NATO that is my favorite, but as such I dont want to scuff the finish so it doesent get away far from home as much as it could, the Sporter Mosin P-27 is a definate carry gun.:)
     
  16. DrGonzo11

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    I've got several Milsurp bolt actions, about 40 or so of all shapes and sizes.
    By far my favorite to shoot and most accurate is my 1917 Lee-Enfield SMLE No1MKIII, coming in second would be one of my 1903's, third would be a toss up between my 3 Finnish Mosin-Nagants, fourth would be 1941 Kar98k and fifth would be, believe it or not, my 1917 Eddystone.
     
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  17. WILDCATT

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    where is the 1917, I had two and they were great.my 1903 is a tack driver.
    and the garand is great.I do think the 1917 is better than all.the 98 mauser is not sloppy it is made with taper and it is tight when closed.I also like the mannlickers,carcanos and dutch.I think the enblock clip is better than the mauser clip and since the ammo came loaded in clips the single shot argument is off.the SMLE is a good practical gun and long range was its forte
    :rolleyes: :D
     
  18. Flint Rock

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    I would love to have a 1903A3, but not the 1903. The CMP has 1903's, but no 1903A3's. I was given an education on the 1903, and now I don't think I would have one of those. The 1903 was not designed to handle the 30.06, it was redesigned and became the 1903A3 in 1906 when the Army came out with a new cartridge design, a 30 caliber in 1906, hence the 30.06. I was told at CMP that 1903's with serial numbers below 85,000 were built as a lower powered, shorter caliber called 30 U.S. Army, and later converted to 30.06.
    Anyway a steady diet of factory 30.06 in a 1903 was a receipe for a blow up. I was told not to buy a 1903 unless I was going to handload to below 30.06 specs,,,, or shoot blanks. Before I walked through the door there I thought the only difference was the sights. Live and learn.
    I bought an M1 and an M1 Carbine instead:D of the 1903.
     
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  19. SGT-MILLER

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    So far my personal favorite is my 1942 Mosin Nagant M91/30. It's cheap, ugly, built tough, makes a big boom, and is pretty accurate too.
     
  20. m72law

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    k-31 swiss...something about that ugly stright pull bolt gun shooting a 7.5x55 (GP11 or good handloads..even better) ammo out to 2000meters with no prob,iron sights!.it will be one of the best 300bucks you'll spend now on a accurate surplus rifle barnone!of course these rifles could be had for 75bucks a few years back...wish i would have bought a few more:)