What is this 8mm Carcano???

Discussion in 'General Rifle Discussion' started by thundermonty, Jul 27, 2011.

  1. thundermonty

    thundermonty New Member

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    i have an 8mm mauser carcano. i dont know much about it and there aren't too many markings on it. hopefully someone can tell me the type of gun i have and some story behind it.

    here is the gun in whole- http://i727.photobucket.com/albums/ww271/thundermonty/8mm Carcano mystery/wholegun.jpg

    left side of gun- http://i727.photobucket.com/albums/ww271/thundermonty/8mm Carcano mystery/side.jpg


    here is the bottom of it-
    http://i727.photobucket.com/albums/ww271/thundermonty/8mm Carcano mystery/underpart.jpg

    on the bottom of the reciever there is an underlined S-
    http://i727.photobucket.com/albums/ww271/thundermonty/8mm Carcano mystery/underlinedS.jpg

    i found what seems to be an "sbT" -
    http://i727.photobucket.com/albums/ww271/thundermonty/8mm Carcano mystery/sbT.jpg

    there is a crown on it- http://i727.photobucket.com/albums/ww271/thundermonty/8mm Carcano mystery/crown.jpg

    it says carcano, italy- http://i727.photobucket.com/albums/ww271/thundermonty/8mm Carcano mystery/Carcanoitaly.jpg

    it says what seems to be "calst air VT"-
    http://i727.photobucket.com/albums/ww271/thundermonty/8mm Carcano mystery/Calstairvt.jpg

    here is just the bottom part of the gun-
    http://i727.photobucket.com/albums/ww271/thundermonty/8mm Carcano mystery/bottompart.jpg

    1180 is the serial-
    http://i727.photobucket.com/albums/ww271/thundermonty/8mm Carcano mystery/1180plusmarks.jpg


    7.9 on rear sight-
    http://i727.photobucket.com/albums/ww271/thundermonty/8mm Carcano mystery/79rearsight.jpg

    i have fired it and it works fine. also, what might the value of this gun be?
     
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  2. M14sRock

    M14sRock New Member

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    Some Carcanos were re-chambered in 8x57 by the Nazis. They were not safe to fire. The Carcano action cannot handle the pressure of the 8x57.
     

  3. robocop10mm

    robocop10mm Lifetime Supporting Member Lifetime Supporter

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    7.92 X 57 is the proper European name for the cartridge we call the 8mm Mauser. It is not safe to fire in the Carcano action no matter what you call it.
     
  4. M14sRock

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  5. robocop10mm

    robocop10mm Lifetime Supporting Member Lifetime Supporter

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    The "VT" mark is from Century Arms St. Albans VT. That is the importer. All imported firearms must have the name of the importer stamped on them. Century Arms is perhaps best known for importing CETME rifle parts and employing monkeys to put them together with new receivers (and an assortment of US made parts). If Century is advertising this as safe to shoot with 7.92 ammo, it must be one of the monkeys doing the advertising.

    DO NOT SHOOT 7.92 x 57, 8 x 57 OR 8MM MAUSER AMMO THROUGH ANY CARCANO RIFLE!!!!!
     
  6. thundermonty

    thundermonty New Member

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    thanks for the info so far. would anyone care to tell me why it is unfit to fire? i've fired about 8 rounds between yesterday and today. the previous owner used it as his main hunting rifle. i've taken it to a gunsmith who tested it and other than a tiny headspace problem, the gun is in really good condition.
     
  7. c3shooter

    c3shooter Administrator Staff Member

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    Wartime attempt to "upgun" the Carcano action to use the same cartridge as their German allies- the 8mm Mauser. While the K98 is a strong action, the Carcano was for the 6.5 Carcano- much less energy, which was upped to a 7mm variant, which was THEN jumped to 8mm. IMHO, one jump too far. Did they all blow up with the first shot? Of course not. However, the rifle AS A MILITARY ARM, was less than durable.
     
  8. Shihan

    Shihan Active Member Lifetime Supporter

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    If M14sRock, Robo and C3 say not to shoot it, well, I sure as heck would not shoot it. Just saying.
     
  9. canebrake

    canebrake New Member

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    Asked and answered.
     
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  10. thundermonty

    thundermonty New Member

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    any telling the history of my gun in particular?
     
  11. thundermonty

    thundermonty New Member

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    btw, i have a friend that reloads his own ammo. could i ask him to make me some underpowered rounds?
     
  12. canebrake

    canebrake New Member

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    Why not buy a 91/30 (7.62x54R) or a VZ/24 (8x57mm) and shoot the snot out of either one of them with NO worries?

    Wall mount the Carcano, it does have a story now. :p
     
  13. jpattersonnh

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    PM me for GC 170gr cast load data that will work perfectly.
     
  14. thundermonty

    thundermonty New Member

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    if i were to buy a new gun, it would be a handgun for open carry. ( i live on a private road). okay, i am 15 years old, but i do consider myself an enthusiast, at least a young one! now when i buy guns i just give the money to my parents, tell them what i want, and if they approve, i get it. they are very liberal but i have been trained properly. my dad used to teach courses to leo's for 10 years. they treat me like an adult, i.e. i have my own house, car, credit cards, guns etc.

    anyway, i currently have a .22 for plinking, and the carcano, which i didn't buy it was passed down from my mom. i do have 1/3 share on a family shotgun though!

    so, i think i would like a nice 9mm keltec, and then a rock river AR-15. then i'll get some more old rifles.

    P.S. if you think we are rich and have a bunch of stuff, think again! we live in the middle of south missouri!
     
  15. c3shooter

    c3shooter Administrator Staff Member

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    Monty- on the road right now, 2000 miles from my references, but here is what I could find for you-

    In 1941, the Italian military returned to a long-barrelled infantry rifle once again (slightly shorter than the original M91), the Carcano M91/41. True sniper versions never existed, but in World War I a few rifles were fitted with telescopes and issued for service use (World War II scoped rifles were strictly prototypes).

    Since the 1980s, several lots of Moschetti M91/38 TS (special troops' carbines) chambered for the German 7.92x57mm Mauser sS heavy ball round, have appeared on the surplus markets. Two small batches of Moschetti M91/38 TS carbines shows barrels marked 1938 and 1941, but they were not used at these times with any Italian forces, and their peculiar serial numbering suggests that these might just be rebored unused surplus barrels that were converted with other ones after 1945. Many 7.92 mm Carcano carbines were apparently exported to Egypt after World War II, where they served as drill and training carbines. Several also bear Israeli armed forces markings. The occasionally used model moniker "Model 1943 (M43)" for these converted 7.92mm rifles is wrong, as they were never so designated by the Italian military.
     
  16. thundermonty

    thundermonty New Member

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    thank you for that info. i have researched it more and more... it seems like i will not be able to tell what model it is since it was sporterized.