what is the reason african safaris charge you for what you kill?

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  1. ItsmeShane

    ItsmeShane New Member

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    I was just looking at the "trophy case" on the browning website and i seen some interesting animals, and the location said SA (South Africa) so i went and looked at some safari packages and they charge you per animal you wound or kill. does anyone know why?
     
  2. skullcrusher

    skullcrusher New Member

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    I suppose it is because they can.
     

  3. Dillinger

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    I believe a lot of the hunts take place on land that has animals on it. Like really large farms.

    It would stand to reason if you're bringing someone halfway around the world to shoot a tiger or a giraffe ( for whatever god damn reason ) you probably should have access to them.

    As such, I would imagine the extra money pays for taxes, pays for maintenence, upkeep, feed, and etc.....

    Never saw the use of traveling halfway around the world to be driven to a point within a couple hundred feet of an animal that could never find your address, and blasting a big friggin hole it in just to pose it with a picture of you and your rifle....

    But, hey. To each their own.....
     
  4. FCross7

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    When I was at the range the other day, there was a guy sighting in his rifles to an Africa hunt. I don't remember where he was going, but there were like 7 different animals he was going after and it was going to cost him over $10k. I'm gonna have to agree with JD on this one. I don't see the point in it.

    -Fred
     
  5. skullcrusher

    skullcrusher New Member

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    I hunt, but I have never been a trophy hunter. The ranches that hold the hunts for trophies also take care of the field dressing, skinning, butchering and sometimes the taxedermy. There are plenty of people with enough money willing to pay for these kind of hunts. Is the same everywhere, including the US and Canada.

    There is a ranch close to me that brings in exotic animals and charges a different price for each animal. That is not hunting, that is just plain ol' killing. They make a profit and have been around for many years, so that says something right there.
     
  6. c3shooter

    c3shooter Administrator Staff Member

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    In some cases there are different license fees for different animals. Just as here in the states there is one license fee for small game, and an additional fee for deer-bear-turkey.

    As far as why- I am still trying to come to grips with folks that would eat anything other than Boston Cream Pie for desert- but some folks like other things.

    I have a BIL that has lived in South Africa for 40 years, and have an invite to go visit, and maybe do some hunting- but the airplane ride is a bit much. Time AND price!
     
  7. ItsmeShane

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    i could understand that to a point but not at the fee that is on these animals heads. you can fly over there for whatever, stay a week in a little hut on the hunting plantation that is at $55 per night, but if you shoot an ostrich it will cost you $920.....and that sadly is one of the cheapest trophy prices. I could understand if that was taxidermy included but that is another fee on top of that.


    then, after you hunt for the week, as your leaving the plantation, you have the option of buying a dvd of your hunt........sounds good right? well, if you're reading this you might want to sit down and brace yourself. if you want, you can buy a DVD of your hunt for $500 USD.

    I can see that now, at the end of the hunt, they say "sir would you be interested in buying a DVD of your hunt?"

    "yea sure, let me run outside and see if I cant find someone to sell my soul too first."
     
  8. dukech1

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    Two friends of mine got back in July, from a one week hunt in SA. One of the guys goes every two years. From what I am told , it goes this way; three or four( I forgot which), animals are in the original price( Gemsbok, Kudu, Springbok, etc), ANY blood drawn is a kill as far as price goes. Dangerous game has a premium price because a PH has to be there and insure clean kill/client safety. Any animal not included in the original cost is extra.
    One of my friends wounded a Zebra and had to pay full price for the animal. He later got another Zebra, but had to pay for an extra animal.
    Kinda goes like, if you can't pay, don't play.
     
  9. Gatekeeper

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    I think maybe you are thinking of the game preserves. Lots of game, ride up and take a picture. The hunting of wild game animals, I think, takes place in wild areas where you must find and stalk game, without getting eaten or mauled. You may not find game. Would you want to pay for a lion if you didn't even see one? Thats why trophy fee's, only pay them if you actually shoot something. A wounded animal is considered a dead animal, so if your trackers cant find it, you still gotta pay for it.

    Maybe Patrick Sperry will weigh in, I think he used to guide.

    You really ought to give "Death In The Long Grass" a read even if you're not a hunter. He11 even my mother couldn't put it down.

    Excerpt from Ch.1
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    On the dirt floor beside the tent's walls, a watery moonbeam glows on the scratched white stencil of a footlocker: Peter Hankin, Box 72, Chipata.
    Inside the travel dented locker lie three flat five-packs of Kynoch 300-grain soft-point cartridges for the battered, silver worn, old-rifle, a Cogswell and Harrison, .375 Holland and Holland Magnum in caliber. But the rifle, as bush-scarred as the face of its owner, is not leaning in its usual place beside the bed.
    Operating in a photographic safari area, profesional hunter Peter Hankin has had to leave it at his hunting camp, Chitangulu, forty miles downstream. His friends will later decide that even if he had the rifle now, he would still have less than one minute to live.
    ---Death In The Long Grass-- Peter H. Capstick
     
  10. stalkingbear

    stalkingbear Well-Known Member

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    The trophy fees pay for game management just like here in the states we buy hunting licenses & tags. I see nothing wrong with "old fashioned style" eating dust while walking miles upon miles in order to find an animal to stalk close to, then put down cleanly at close range. In fact,if I ever hit the lotto I'm going dangerous game hunting-health (mobility) permitting. It's the trophy fees that provide for these animals' habitat. If not for the safari, the land would all be taken up by farmers & ranchers, and poaching would again become rampant. All this not to mention of the employment by the professional hunters of the natives and the fact that all the meat gets given to the natives (in the case of elephant).

    If you draw blood on an animal they have to assume that animal is going to have a fatal wound, and take that into consideration of the number of animal population in that hunting concession. That's plain ol game management. I'm sure Patrick Sperry will be able to enlighten us a LOT more than I.
     
  11. robocop10mm

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    I traveled to South Africa in 2001. The Kruger National Park (20,000 sq km) is home to nearly every animal imaginable on the continent. They keep very close control of the animals. If they have too many of a particular animal for the park to support, they capture and auction off a few. These surplus animals are sold to the game preserves or zoos (whoever bids the most). The preserves move the animals and release them on their property. If a hunter wants to kill that animal, the owner of the preserve must recoup his investment.
    When I was there, a Cape Lion would bring $100,000 US at the auction. You could figure a reasonable mark up on that.

    The game preserves are often criticized as being "canned hunts" as the animals are fenced in. Well, yeah. They are fenced into a perimeter that might be 25,000 acres or more.
    Using that logic, the wild ones are fenced in by the Atlantic, Indian and Mediterranean. The poor things cannot escape!!!!

    The animals are one of the largest natural resources the country has. It is a renewable resource. They manage the resourse and protect their renewability and sustainability. If you hit and kill one with a car, you owe the country the fair market value of the animal. An Impala might cost you $100. An Elephant will bankrupt you. They WILL sieze your passport until you pay up.
     
  12. Txhillbilly

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    My local gun shop owner went to S.Africa earlier this year and the package he had set up was around 5K,and Stewart got to shoot 7-8 animals with that package.If he wanted to shoot other animals then there was an additional trophy fee. He said it was the best time he has ever had hunting.

    He is trying to get a deal set up with the outfitter that would be around 4K per hunter,but when you add in airfare,the hunt,shipping back hides&mounts your still looking at around 10K over 6-8 months time. Out of my range!
     
  13. snuffynra

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    very nicely put,i have been a big fan of african safaris since i was a kid.it is common for many people to think these are some sort of canned hunt,which is not the case at all,in fact most canned hunts are for trophy class white tails here in the states.the average (dangerous game)safari today is at least 10 days,with most being 20 or 25 days.many hunts especially lion and leopard the hunter goes home without the main target for the safari.(safaris always have some plains game mixed in)i used to have quite an assortment of awesome safari videos on you tube,till they took many down due to anti hunters complaints.many also believe that these are endangered species.in fact parts of south africa now has just the opposite problem with elephant ..too many which is causing the government to consider culling again.years ago a set of tusks from an elephant would fetch a few thousand dollars for a poacher .now days a elephant safari starts out at a very minimum $30,000 and that is a low end one,it is not uncommon to bring in a $100,000 for a 25 day safari, the average dangerous game safari is around 20 days.not exactly a canned hunt.kinda ironic that safari hunting has financed the war on anti poaching to the extent of over population.(the antis just cant understand how hunting helps game)some of that money (trophy fees) goes to a very poor country,ALL of the meat goes to under nourished villages .and the safaris employ the area people .like robocop said the fences are oceans . as far as walking up and just shooting them well some sure look that easy but there not .even the best hunters can have it all go wrong in a matter of seconds.that my friends is why it is dangerous game hunting.Leopard_Attack.flv video by snuffynra - Photobucket
     
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