What is the history of this old Musket?

Discussion in 'Blackpowder & Musket' started by Norman, Dec 27, 2009.

  1. Norman

    Norman New Member

    I have a very old musket from my Grandfather, at least I think it's very old. Just wondering how to figure out the history of the gun and if it is worth anything. It has a crown stamp, and "S", and "41" under that, in a few places near the trigger. On the end of the gun it has the numbers "208", and some other things stamped on the end. If anyone can lead me in the right direction that would be great.


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  2. BillM

    BillM Active Member Supporter

    Disclaimer: I am by no ones standards knowledgable about old black powder
    arms---so a lot of this is guesswork.

    I don't think it's a musket. It's a shotgun. Lack of sights, halfstock.
    The crown over S was used as a shotgun proof by Germany and
    Denmark at various times, but it could also be Belgian or ???

    The marks on the buttplate look martial--could be unit/division marks?

    My GUESS. It's a "foragers gun". A smoothbore percussion shotgun used
    by the camp cook to gather food for the troops.

    ETA---If I squint a bit, I can make myself believe that the lock is marked "SUHL", a
    well known German gun making town. Doesn't mean the GUN is German, just that
    it has a German lock. Also from the shape of the nipple drum, it appears that originally
    it was a flintlock.
    Last edited: Dec 27, 2009


    WILDCATT New Member

    old gun

    I would say it is grman military gun. seems that military regiment makings on butt.
  4. Joe M

    Joe M New Member

    It would appear to have a military relationship as the trigger guard shows this was made for a sling. I would also agree that at one time it was a flintlock that has been converted to take the snail drum barrel. Parts were never wasted - only reworked for particular applications.

    This piece very well may have started life out as a military musket with a full stock, and over time it has been converted to perhaps civilian use for any number of reasons. Of note, there would be no sights on a military musket.
  5. Joe M

    Joe M New Member

    My last sentence above should have read;

    "Of note, there would be no 'Rear' sight on a military musket."

    Sorry about that.
  6. W. C. Quantrill

    W. C. Quantrill New Member

    It is a military musket that began as a flintlock and was converted to percussion, then later was "sporterized" sometime after the Great War of Northern Agression and sold to civilians at a buck each as farmers guns. I have one just like it in my safe.

    It looks a lot like a M1816 Flint to Percussion Conversion. They were converted around 1842 and used up into the beginning of the Great War, then sporterized and sold to civilains.
    Last edited: Jan 12, 2010
  7. c3shooter

    c3shooter Administrator Staff Member

    The "farmer's gun" was frequently called a "hog gun" in many parts of the country.
  8. jpattersonnh

    jpattersonnh Active Member

    Joe M may have part of it. It is a Belgian rifle, or was.
    Collector's Firearms
    Crown over S is a Swedish stamp, or sure looks like it. Looks to be a Stockholm rework.
    If the work have been done by an Army Workshop
    Crowned S Stockholms Tygstation, Stockholm (translated)

    Info on buttplate is company and Unit.
    Last edited: Jan 21, 2010